If you could add one more BC race.....

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

do kelly's landing or suave deserve to be BC champions? no, but they get a shot too.

i would disagree that malibu mint would not be worthy of being a BC champ. It wouldn't be likely in a race full of boys, but she's shown she's worth it on more than one occasion. I would imagine that most here would assume that Dubai Escapade would be worthy of a BC championship -- so by proxy Malibu Mint would be too.

Bless her, I hope she pulls the upset.

Brian, by the same token IF Suave were to win the Classic, at least he would be beating talented horses - Dini, Drift, Lava, Invasor, etc, same with Kelly's over Henny, War Front, Bordonaro, etc.

Lets say Dubai Escapade were to become a F&M Sprint Champion. What great competition would she face in that race outside of Malibu Mint, and I really use the term 'great' loosely when applying it to Malibu. There just arent enough good F&M Sprinters, or turf sprinters, to merit running a 1000k race for them. It would be just like watching a rerun of the same cast that ran in the Princess Rooney. One of the greatest things about the BC IMO is that it brings together horses who have been battling in Grade 1's across the country and sometimes internationally and who havent beating up on one another over and over. A F&M Turf Division just isnt deep enough to have quality horses who havent faced one another several times previously.

[repent]

Ive said it before. but dont add anything.
eliminate the BCJF.
run colts and geldings against fillies and do it at 1 mile.
the 8.5f distance is a tweener distance and has no place in a BC event.
I know its never going to happen, but that would be ideal.

if you want to add something, add a Juvenle Turf race or 9f 3YO race.

forget about the Dirt Mile unless you are going to lengthen the BC Distaff to 10f.

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[pmayjr]

I posed this question a couple of weeks back. I think they should add a Filly and mare sprint, and a fillie and mare mile. There's enough talent in boths diuvisions to field viable races in those fields IMO.

[randallscott35]

I'd like to see 2 races. A turf sprint. And a Flat mile on dirt which is the one they definitely need.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

I posed this question a couple of weeks back. I think they should add a Filly and mare sprint, and a fillie and mare mile. There's enough talent in boths diuvisions to field viable races in those fields IMO.

3 out of 8 races are exclusively for f and ms already. You are proposing five of ten races? Leave everything alone. I think adding the F&M Turf was a good thing. I used to think a dirt mile would be a good idea, but now believe, as others have posted here, that it would water down the Classic and Sprint. F & Ms have had multiple winners of the Sprint, Mile, and Turf. I don't think they need anymore special treatment than they already have

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

Brian, by the same token IF Suave were to win the Classic, at least he would be beating talented horses - Dini, Drift, Lava, Invasor, etc, same with Kelly's over Henny, War Front, Bordonaro, etc.

Lets say Dubai Escapade were to become a F&M Sprint Champion. What great competition would she face in that race outside of Malibu Mint, and I really use the term 'great' loosely when applying it to Malibu. There just arent enough good F&M Sprinters, or turf sprinters, to merit running a 1000k race for them. It would be just like watching a rerun of the same cast that ran in the Princess Rooney. One of the greatest things about the BC IMO is that it brings together horses who have been battling in Grade 1's across the country and sometimes internationally and who havent beating up on one another over and over. A F&M Turf Division just isnt deep enough to have quality horses who havent faced one another several times previously.

that's a fair assessment in most regards -- but it really does place a premium on competition. so if we have a really weak handicap division one year, should the winner not be a BC champ because they aren't beating anything?

does this year's BCJF winner deserve to be a BC champ? it's sure as hell shaping up as a big "NO." If you suggest that we need depth to create merit for a BC champ, then we should by all means deny the winners of the depth-less races the title of BC champ.

sound problematic? sure should.

i get what you're saying -- though both arguments have holes in them that are impossible to plug up reasonably. cunningham racing brings it up too -- why shouldn't xtra heat, madcap escapade, etc etc been BC champions? i would argue that they deserve it -- like i would argue that dubai escapade or malibu mint deserve it -- the former has won some races brilliantly, and the latter has shown up at all the dances and done a pretty darn great job in them, winning some when she wasn't supposed to and losing some when compromised.