Vacare/Oracle

Originally Posted by dellinger63

will do. He truly is a great guy and one of the hardest working trainers in Chicago. Also has a degree from U of I Champaign. Honest as the day is long. A true family guy from a true horse family. Believe that is why he chooses to continue to be based in Chicago.
Any ideas on price?

3 million bare minimum

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by oracle80

3 million bare minimum

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She deceptively well-bred. She hails from the really active Image Intensifier family... that of Serena's Song and Wander Mom.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by Balletto

She deceptively well-bred. She hails from the really active Imagining family... that of Serena's Song and Wander Mom.

your a dream come true

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by Balletto

She deceptively well-bred. She hails from the really active Imagining family... that of Serena's Song and Wander Mom.

i can't see it...her bottom line is obscure...i don't see her as a great breeding propect...

Originally Posted by sumitas

i can't see it...her bottom line is obscure...i don't see her as a great breeding propect...

I did use "deceptively well-bred" because her first two dams arent all that exciting, but this is a family that has been becoming more and more active.

Under the 3rd dam you have Serena's Song and all her top class offspring. But you also have more mares producing blacktype runners on a very frequent basis. One or two a year become stakes winners with a few more getting blacktype... its a family I follow closely.

The family is also being bred up for the first time in a while.

She's by Lear Fan who's a very underrated broodmare sire out of a young Valid Appeal mare... no secret he's a top broodmare sire. Second dam is by Storm Bird and her daughters are really starting to produce.

We usually agree on pedigrees, but not this time. No matter how you cut it, far from "obscure".

Originally Posted by Balletto

I did use "deceptively well-bred" because her first two dams arent all that exciting, but this is a family that has been becoming more and more active.

Under the 3rd dam you have Serena's Song and all her top class offspring. But you also have more mares producing blacktype runners on a very frequent basis. One or two a year become stakes winners with a few more getting blacktype... its a family I follow closely.

The family is also being bred up for the first time in a while.

She's by Lear Fan who's a very underrated broodmare sire out of a young Valid Appeal mare... no secret he's a top broodmare sire. Second dam is by Storm Bird and her daughters are really starting to produce.

We usually agree on pedigrees, but not this time. No matter how you cut it, far from "obscure".

The fact that she can be bred to any leading sire line is a plus as well.
When you consider the talent she showed at age three, you have to consider what she is capable of at age 4 as far as racing goes.
Shes gonna go for a nice sum.

[sumitas]

a lot of familys have some black type. her bottom line , yes it is mundane, is far from the great families many mares are from...her family just does not compare well with many, many mares from much better families...i don't see her as a broodmare prospect...indeed i view Serenas Song as the aberration in a mediocre family...i recommend buyers pass this one...

Originally Posted by sumitas

a lot of familys have some black type. her bottom line , yes it is mundane, is far from the great families many mares are from...her family just does not compare well with many, many mares from much better families...i don't see her as a broodmare prospect...indeed i view Serenas Song as the aberration in a mediocre family...i recommend buyers pass this one...

The better racemares from this family produce very solidly and she's one of the better racemares. We'll just agree to disagree... I like her... then again, you're right, its no Courtly Dee clan...

[sumitas]

ah well, i guess we'll have to mud wrestle to decide this one