6/24 (CD): Dublin, Wine Police, Buckleupbuttercup alll return!

[Kasept]

3rd (6:56)

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance Optional Claiming ($62,500) | Purse: $65,200

1 Glowing Report Court J K 119 L
2 Garnet Crystals Cruz M R 116 LA
3 Backside Blackie Lanerie C J 121 LA
4 Buckleupbuttercup Leparoux J R 119 LA
5 Honchis'n Ponchis Albarado R J 119 $62,500 LA
6 Include the Cat Roman C 114 $62,500 Blk-Off LA



8th (9:36)

6 1/2 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $62,100

1 Wine Police Albarado R J 114 LA
2 Enclosure Cruz M R 119 LA
3 Cornpiper Leparoux J R 114 LA
4 Pistols At Dawn Bridgmohan S X 119 LA
5 Jenna's Lemon Figueroa S 114 LA
6 Indian Council Theriot H J II 123 LA
7 Pulpit's Secret Borel C H 119 L
8 Tyrus Lanerie C J 118 L



10th (10:42) Kelly's Landing S.

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $76,600

1 Dublin Albarado R J 119 LA
2 Spicer Lenclud F 119 L
3 Double Threat Borel C H 119 LA
4 Captain Cherokee Leparoux J R 119 LA
5 A Diehl Bridgmohan S X 119 LA
6 Cool Bullet Cruz M R 119 LA
7 The Program Theriot H J II 119 LA
8 Here Comes Ben Court J K 119 L

[King Glorious]

Wine Police is the horse I am holding out hope for to save the 3yo class this year. I was so impressed with his maiden win.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Wine Police is the horse I am holding out hope for to save the 3yo class this year.

The only way to "save" the 3yo class - and probably more of them to come in the future - would be for them to train, race, and campaign more.

The entire top of the 3yo class is made up of horses who still freaking have ALW conditions left. Seriously, how fucl<ing pathetic is that? Look at the PP's of the '81 Derby ... every horse in the field has run through his N2X. Most wouldn't qualify for N5X conditions.

The nicest thing you can say about the top of this years 3yo crop is "they've yet to prove that they suck because they haven't raced enough - and some might have a lot more devlopment in them" Bottom line, they simply don't race and don't train.

I'm sure there is a good reason why trainers are so deathy affraid to ask these horses to do anything ... maybe for every one who would thrive under a tough schedule - another ten would be completely ruined by the same handling. Everyone is affraid to ruin all their horses ... and the horses themselves don't appear to be profiles of hardiness. A lot of them still get hurt in spite of the fact that they're trained and raced with kid gloves.

There's a lot of hope for this class. Nothing but hope. None of them have accomplished jack sh!t. The Kentucky Derby was a dressed up and glorified N2X Alw. Friggen Maclean's Music and Uncle Mo might as well be called the most accomplished horses of this crop.

[blackthroatedwind]

Wine Police was less than four weeks away from the races in January. At that rate, his third start will be in 2012.

[NTamm1215]

Wine Police to save the 3YOs? There's more hope for horses like Dominus and Raison d'Etat.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Maclean's Music

Don't think we'll be seeing him any time soon, by the way. . .

[randallscott35]

Dublin will be cranked.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Don't think we'll be seeing him any time soon, by the way. . .

I know he vanished from the worktab.

Any news on what is wrong with him?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The only way to "save" the 3yo class - and probably more of them to come in the future - would be for them to train, race, and campaign more.

The entire top of the 3yo class is made up of horses who still freaking have ALW conditions left. Seriously, how fucl<ing pathetic is that? Look at the PP's of the '81 Derby ... every horse in the field has run through his N2X. Most wouldn't qualify for N5X conditions.

The nicest thing you can say about the top of this years 3yo crop is "they've yet to prove that they suck because they haven't raced enough - and some might have a lot more devlopment in them" Bottom line, they simply don't race and don't train.

I'm sure there is a good reason why trainers are so deathy affraid to ask these horses to do anything ... maybe for every one who would thrive under a tough schedule - another ten would be completely ruined by the same handling. Everyone is affraid to ruin all their horses ... and the horses themselves don't appear to be profiles of hardiness. A lot of them still get hurt in spite of the fact that they're trained and raced with kid gloves.

There's a lot of hope for this class. Nothing but hope. None of them have accomplished jack sh!t. The Kentucky Derby was a dressed up and glorified N2X Alw. Friggen Maclean's Music and Uncle Mo might as well be called the most accomplished horses of this crop.

I agree 100%. I don't think that it's because they are afraid to ruin them but rather afraid to lose and devalue them. They think it's better to keep a pristine record or at least a sparkling one. It's always easier to say what a horse could have done rather than explain what he didn't do. I think that a lot of them still get hurt even though they are trained and raced softly......because they are trained and raced softly. I think they are like other athletes and have to be conditioned to do more. I don't understand how people think they are best preparing a horse for a TC campaign by racing them two or three times, with at least a month off between races as 2yos. It's like a shock to their system when they are then asked to run back in two weeks then again in three weeks. I would like to believe that if these horses were allowed to do more, they could. Maybe not be faster or better but at least sturdier. But as long as there are millions to be made in the shed, I don't know how things turn around.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Wine Police to save the 3YOs? There's more hope for horses like Dominus and Raison d'Etat.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. We'll see.

[NTamm1215]

I haven't spent a great deal of time on the race but I'm fairly certain Wine Police is not even the best Asmussen horse in the race. You have to bet against any Asmussen horse off of this type of layoff at a short price.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

There's a lot of hope for this class. Nothing but hope. None of them have accomplished jack sh!t. The Kentucky Derby was a dressed up and glorified N2X Alw. Friggen Maclean's Music and Uncle Mo might as well be called the most accomplished horses of this crop.

Coil is going to be wind up somewhere between Albert The Great and Tiznow by year's end.

Wine Police will lie somewhere between Deeds Not Words and Maimonides.

[Dahoss]

I hold out hope Indian Council is going to save the older horses.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I know he vanished from the worktab.

Any news on what is wrong with him?

Nah haven't heard/seen anything other than that he doesn't have a published work since April.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Nah haven't heard/seen anything other than that he doesn't have a published work since April.

You should have just tossed some random ailment out there - and let Dr. Riotard and the impeccably connected MaWhip (with his insider network on boring horse health scoops) have at it.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Coil is going to be wind up somewhere between Albert The Great and Tiznow by year's end.

Wine Police will lie somewhere between Deeds Not Words and Maimonides.

Be very affraid - PG 1985 has a future book ticket bought this week involving him winning the BC Classic.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Be very affraid - PG 1985 has a future book ticket bought this week involving him winning the BC Classic.

In that case, maybe more like Miner's Mark than Tiznow or Albert The Great.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I would like to believe that if these horses were allowed to do more, they could. Maybe not be faster or better but at least sturdier.

I've heard such wizards as Dr. Allday and Slewis from Pace Advantage claim Affirmed was on Sublimaze ... maybe they should allow Sublimaze.

My father said he administered both Sublimaze and Ritalin to horses he trained when he was a trainer. He told me that anyone who thinks Sublimaze is as a/effective (word police?) a hop as Ritalin doesn't know what they're talking about.

He said neither one of them work that well on horses who can't run - but basically, for an old beat up class horse off-form, sublimaze can help and Ritalin can help a whole lot.

His training career basically ended when he got a bad test for Ritalin. He said he had an old horse (named Noticable if I recall) who could barely walk - give it Ritalin - and it would go out and fire every week. He said someone found out - and complained that Ritalin was being abused.

He said in those days - and maybe still today - a substance wouldn't come up in a drug test unless they were looking for it.

So, all of a sudden, after someone tipped the powers that be off, he and two other trainers come up with bad tests for Ritalin in the same night. One of them, by the way, is a guy who later trained a 1990's Kentucky Derby winner as a 2yo. They all get ruled off for the season and suspended. He also said he was tipped off by a track employee before they searched his barn and informed him he had a bad test.

I suppose if Affirmed did get Sublimaze like Allday and Slewis claim - he probably didn't get it until his 4yo season after soundly losing the Malibu at 1/5 odds and the San Fernando at 1/2 odds... he responded with a 10 length Gr 1 win at 4/5 in his next start - recaptured his best form - and never was beat again.

I know Cannon Shell has a woody about how great lasix is - but I doubt something that dehydrates the hell out of horses everytime is good for helping horses train and campaign hard.

Crazy talk coming from me - I never had a trainers license and I don't know jack sh!t about any of these meds - but maybe getting rid of lasix and allowing some old-school dopes that will help horses race and train more often is what is needed to make the sports racing product better.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The only way to "save" the 3yo class - and probably more of them to come in the future - would be for them to train, race, and campaign more.

The entire top of the 3yo class is made up of horses who still freaking have ALW conditions left. Seriously, how fucl<ing pathetic is that? Look at the PP's of the '81 Derby ... every horse in the field has run through his N2X. Most wouldn't qualify for N5X conditions.

The nicest thing you can say about the top of this years 3yo crop is "they've yet to prove that they suck because they haven't raced enough - and some might have a lot more devlopment in them" Bottom line, they simply don't race and don't train.

I'm sure there is a good reason why trainers are so deathy affraid to ask these horses to do anything ... maybe for every one who would thrive under a tough schedule - another ten would be completely ruined by the same handling. Everyone is affraid to ruin all their horses ... and the horses themselves don't appear to be profiles of hardiness. A lot of them still get hurt in spite of the fact that they're trained and raced with kid gloves.

There's a lot of hope for this class. Nothing but hope. None of them have accomplished jack sh!t. The Kentucky Derby was a dressed up and glorified N2X Alw. Friggen Maclean's Music and Uncle Mo might as well be called the most accomplished horses of this crop.

No one wants to run their horses through conditions anymore Doug.

Quick story. We have tried for the last three weeks to get a straight 3 year old nw1 race for Prospect Knight. Entered at Parx, got 3 horses. We entered in New York a couple days ago and they got a total of 2 horses. Parx was a 47k pot and NY was 53k. We are now forced to run in a stakes race in two weeks that while we might be competitive, it still isn't how we would have liked to do things.

[slotdirt]

I was an admitted Dublin fan, but this placing seems a bit, well, ambitious.