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[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I thought of mentioning Dylan Thomas, but my intent was to focus on horses based in the U.S.

Pretty much any Euro (Goldikova excepted) who's made their way to the USA for the Breeders Cup the last five or so years has been overrated.

Except Vale of York. He was special.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Pretty much any Euro (Goldikova excepted) who's made their way to the USA for the Breeders Cup the last five or so years has been overrated.

Is that why the few who come kick our asses in all the turf and synthetic races almost everytime? And many times - a few of the best don't come.

Harbinger - the Candy Ride of European racing from last year I suppose - would have killed any true American based turf horse I've ever seen at 12 furlongs.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Is that why the few who come kick our asses in all the turf and synthetic races almost everytime? And many times - a few of the best don't come.

Harbinger - the Candy Ride of European racing from last year I suppose - would have killed any true American based turf horse I've ever seen at 12 furlongs.

I try to throw you a Vale of York bone and this is what I get?

Well, yes, Conduit could also run a little. It's true.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I try to throw you a Vale of York bone and this is what I get?

Well, yes, Conduit could also run a little. It's true.

What about when they ran 1-2-3-4 in the 2005 BCT? Or when B-teamers like Red Rocks win two of our most important turf races? Seems like Dylan Thomas is the exception rather than the rule.

The only area where I'd agree with you is the BC Juvy Turf races since they were created. Those Euros almost always get overbet and lose to some mediocre American horse.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What about when they ran 1-2-3-4 in the 2005 BCT? Or when B-teamers like Red Rocks win two of our most important turf races? Seems like Dylan Thomas is the exception rather than the rule.

The ground was a complete bog that day - not that Dylan Thomas wasn't overrated - but he obviously didn't handle it - getting beat like two football fields and finishing behind a few slugs.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What about when they ran 1-2-3-4 in the 2005 BCT? Or when B-teamers like Red Rocks win two of our most important turf races?

Or C-teamers like Dangerous Midge, who came back and was beaten a country mile.

[Calzone Lord]

Raven's Pass sure showed Tiago.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Pretty much any Euro (Goldikova excepted) who's made their way to the USA for the Breeders Cup the last five or so years has been overrated.

Except Vale of York. He was special.

You should say pretty much any Euro trained by Aidan O'Brien has been overrated.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You should say pretty much any Euro trained by Aidan O'Brien has been overrated.

Not only is that odd ... but it goes back further than Formulator allows.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Not only is that odd ... but it goes back further than Formulator allows.

I started a thread during your hiatus about how bad O'Brien has been after Viscount Nelson and Master of Hounds lit up the world on Belmont day. He's been really, really bad.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You should say pretty much any Euro trained by Aidan O'Brien has been overrated.

Yes, that would have been much more accurate.