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Old 06-21-2011, 09:12 AM
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Candy Ride had three really good races here, including easily handling a grade one turf winner on the grass.
His dirt win over Primerica and Bonus Pay Day in an allowance race? The American Handicap was a GII and was a strong race. However, to say that either of his prior wins compared to his Pacific Classic is not accurate. It was the PC that has made him an internet sensation for the last 8 years.

His Pacific Classic was along the same lines as Ghostzapper's Iselin, BC Classic, and Met Mile. That's why Doug said Candy Ride had one and Ghostzapper had multiple sensational performances and I think he's absolutely right.
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Old 06-21-2011, 12:17 PM
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The difference between Ghostzapper and Candy Ride is Candy Ride had just one race like that - Ghostzapper had several.
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His dirt win over Primerica and Bonus Pay Day in an allowance race? The American Handicap was a GII and was a strong race. However, to say that either of his prior wins compared to his Pacific Classic is not accurate. It was the PC that has made him an internet sensation for the last 8 years.

His Pacific Classic was along the same lines as Ghostzapper's Iselin, BC Classic, and Met Mile. That's why Doug said Candy Ride had one and Ghostzapper had multiple sensational performances and I think he's absolutely right.
I don't believe I put the other two on a par with the Pacific Classic. I just thought it wasn't fair to say he had one good one either. I also thought that his single best performance was the best of anyone else's single best performance in at least the last decade.
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Old 06-21-2011, 12:22 PM
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I also thought GZs Vosburgh was the performance that wowed me the most. I think its all not worth arguing though. Both were exceptional horses and I have no proof to dispute anyone that believes GZ was better because he just may have been. Neither of them was Lammtarra though lol.
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I think I recall seeing an interview with Tom Durkin where he said he went and measured 31 lengths the day before Smarty's Belmont just in case... in hindsight that is about as foolish of statement/action as one could make, but at the time, I think a lot of people thought (or hoped) that Smarty could put on a show of the nature of Secretariat's Belmont...
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Old 06-22-2011, 01:23 PM
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wow.

i didn't know anyone at that time that thought of SJ as being some sort of superstar.
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Old 06-22-2011, 01:38 PM
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wow.

i didn't know anyone at that time that thought of SJ as being some sort of superstar.
You must not have lived within 500 miles of Philadelphia for five weeks in 2004 then.

That Belmont crowd was pretty insane.
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They wanted to tar and feather Jerry Bailey because he opted to try and put a little bit of early pressure on Smarty Jones with Eddington of all horses.

I suppose Bailey must have re-watched the film of Touch Gold's Belmont win where McCarron had challenged Silver Charm early - backed off right away - and came again to wear him down in the stretch. Bailey should have known that what works with a tactically gifted horse like Touch Gold would not work with a grinding plodder like Eddington ... but still, the Smarty Jones fans acted as if Bailey pulled out a crow bar and went Tonya Harding on Smarty Jones.

The real thing that hurt SJ and helped Birdstone in that race - was the insanely pre-mature inside move Rock Hard Ten made. SJ got a very serious mid-race challenge from a fairly good horse. Friggen Bailey getting Eddington to breath on SJ for a few seconds was so overblown.
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Indian Charlie, are you serious? You didn't know ANYONE that thought of him as a superstar? That Belmont drew over 120k.
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Old 06-22-2011, 02:11 PM
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Indian Charlie, are you serious? You didn't know ANYONE that thought of him as a superstar? That Belmont drew over 120k.
that 120k fig is dubious at best
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Old 06-22-2011, 02:59 PM
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Indian Charlie, are you serious? You didn't know ANYONE that thought of him as a superstar? That Belmont drew over 120k.
I'm not sure how many of that 120k I personally knew. Probably not many, and of those, I doubt any of them thought of him in the same way they'd think of a Secretariat type.
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