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Old 10-24-2006, 07:35 AM
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I just love thse guys who think that some midget superhero is gonna make a chandelier like her suddenly have heart and wanna run by horses. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Wake me up when something of relevance is said.
So you don't think that some jocks 'fit' horses? You know as well as I do that her fastest could win this race, I don't dispute her hanging type with you one bit.
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Old 10-24-2006, 07:39 AM
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Do yourself a favor, scratch out the name of every jockey....
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Old 10-24-2006, 07:43 AM
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So you don't think that some jocks 'fit' horses? You know as well as I do that her fastest could win this race, I don't dispute her hanging type with you one bit.
Listen to Point G Scav, hes right.
I have never once in my life bet a horse just because a particular jock is on it. I will refuse to bet one because a certain jock is on one, but never the opposite, do you hear what I am saying.
That "fitting" stuff is nothing more than a romanticized notion that is clung to by sports writers who don't know any better and degenerate gamblers who want desperately to believe in such bull****.
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Old 10-24-2006, 08:41 AM
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hold up chief , your saying that never in your life you havent bet a horse when in the pps he is the only one who wins on this horse and hes back on today....i think not...
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Old 10-24-2006, 08:56 AM
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hold up chief , your saying that never in your life you havent bet a horse when in the pps he is the only one who wins on this horse and hes back on today....i think not...
Hooves I am telling you that. I think that when you are deaing with a top jock, the difference is subtle. I never used jock handicapping for anything other than tossing out a horse who had an absolute horror show jock on his orher back, and even then it doesn't scare me sometimes. I am telling you that. But to each his own, jock handicapping is how soem like to play the game.
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Old 10-24-2006, 09:00 AM
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mike im just saying ..if javy cast...wins on a horse ..comes off a layoff or is in a bad spot with rudy r up and has trouble wide ect..then javy takes the mount again you dont think that matters......
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Old 10-24-2006, 09:03 AM
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mike im just saying ..if javy cast...wins on a horse ..comes off a layoff or is in a bad spot with rudy r up and has trouble wide ect..then javy takes the mount again you dont think that matters......
Only if I think the horse has a shot, its sure not gonna make me play the horse if I don't like him.
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Old 10-24-2006, 09:15 AM
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ok..this is going nowhere...youll never admit it..
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Old 10-24-2006, 08:58 AM
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not me, I couldn't tell you who is riding them half of the time...

imho, Jockeys can't win a race, but they can lose it, but the horse can overcome even mild incompetence if he's the best...

I should clarify, it's my belief, but a belief I obtained from one of Beyer's Books...

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Old 10-24-2006, 02:31 PM
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Listen to Point G Scav, hes right.
I have never once in my life bet a horse just because a particular jock is on it. I will refuse to bet one because a certain jock is on one, but never the opposite, do you hear what I am saying.
That "fitting" stuff is nothing more than a romanticized notion that is clung to by sports writers who don't know any better and degenerate gamblers who want desperately to believe in such bull****.
mike you wouldnt bet a horse first time pval if you felt the horse needed to be hustled from the gate and wasnt in previous races? one of the reasons i loved and bet offlee in the holybull was because the guid was gettin aboard and i felt the horse needed a patient ride in the race, he got just that and popped at a huge price for lands as you know of course. in certain instances its valid in my opinion
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:13 PM
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mike you wouldnt bet a horse first time pval if you felt the horse needed to be hustled from the gate and wasnt in previous races? one of the reasons i loved and bet offlee in the holybull was because the guid was gettin aboard and i felt the horse needed a patient ride in the race, he got just that and popped at a huge price for lands as you know of course. in certain instances its valid in my opinion
And then "the Guid" didn't ride him out for 3rd money in his next start.
I wouldnt bet any horse just because Pval was on it, its the horse that counts most.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:17 PM
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O... my big big man... I know deep down inside you're Balletto's second biggest fan!
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:29 PM
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O... my big big man... I know deep down inside you're Balletto's second biggest fan!
She hangs like a Christmas tree ornament in December.
She hangs like a convicted man in Texas.
She hangs like a chandelier in a ballroom.
She hangs like Peter North's unit after a threesome.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:57 PM
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She hangs like a Christmas tree ornament in December.
She hangs like a convicted man in Texas.
She hangs like a chandelier in a ballroom.
She hangs like Peter North's unit after a threesome.

Peter North I remember him in a Jenna J flick, he like drowned her in his stuff
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Old 10-24-2006, 04:00 PM
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She hangs like a Christmas tree ornament in December.
She hangs like a convicted man in Texas.
She hangs like a chandelier in a ballroom.
She hangs like Peter North's unit after a threesome.
Peter North... did you know he did gay porn as well? Just an FYI... lol He was idolized by the Sigeps here until they saw it. lol
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:18 PM
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And then "the Guid" didn't ride him out for 3rd money in his next start.
I wouldnt bet any horse just because Pval was on it, its the horse that counts most.

LOL well you and i disagree on a ton mike and always will but i do agree that the horse counts most. youll probaly disagree with me here lol but in my book 85% horse 15%rider
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:20 PM
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Oracle, no one is saying you bet a horse just because a jockey is on it. However, everyone who knows anything would rather bet a speed horse with PVal on it as opposed to Santos on the same horse.
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