NBA Playoffs

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I haven't watched the series. Can't stand to watch LeBron carry on with his theatrics. The push-ups, mean muggin, wannabe alpha routine.

He's not alpha. He's a b.itch. No matter how many rings he gets he'll always be the b.itch who settled.

You haven't missed much.

Lebron taught Bosh well also. Everytime he makes a play he screams, bangs his chest and carries on like a maniac.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I haven't watched the series. Can't stand to watch LeBron carry on with his theatrics. The push-ups, mean muggin, wannabe alpha routine.

He's not alpha. He's a b.itch. No matter how many rings he gets he'll always be the b.itch who settled.

I dont remember seeing all the theatrics you talked about in the days of the great Knicks, Lakers, Pistons, Celtics, Bulls matchups. I dont know where all this as you say "mean-muggin" chest poundig and screaming ever started but it makes you miss Magic, Bird, Jordan, Isaiah, Reed. I dont think they ever did any of that and look at how many great plays they could of.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

I agree. He kind of left Rose out to dry at the end with seemingly no real play called and no team movement. Just so I know, is Lebron a piece of ---, mostly because of the "decision" ?

To me the decision is a big part of it. I have no issue with him wanting to win or going to a winner. He wasn't getting the support he needed in Cleveland, plus who wants to be in Cleveland anyway?

But, the decision was terrible and made him look like a giant douche. The parade and all that followed after was embarrassing and he just comes off like a douche I think. Like Coach said, his theatrics on court are too much for me. Play the game...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

I showed exactly what you said "could get swept". The namecalling is a nice touch by you, very classy. How can I be "redboarding" when I never made a prediction?

So what's your point? I wasn't wrong, so what exactly are you pointing out?

[MISTERGEE]

simply put, I was pointing out how many people had thought the series was just about over after 1 game, thats it

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

simply put, I was pointing out how many people had thought the series was just about over after 1 game, thats it

Except I didn't. I said if the Bulls continue to make their threes, the Heat are in trouble. They haven't done so.

[MISTERGEE]

yes, but didnt you also say the Heat: are no match for Bulls on glass, and that no one has a prayer against Rose? You have to reconsider those I would say. After the first game the Heat are rebounding much better, and Roses shooting is abysmal especially with James covering him. All of which is ok of course, its fun to make predictions but in the NBA playoffs not easy based on looking at 1 game

[clyde]

Steven H. Crist!!

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

He wasn't getting the support he needed in Cleveland, plus who wants to be in Cleveland anyway?

Really? There were 800 foot murals of him and sellouts every single game, oh you mean on the court perhaps...ok. That whole issue is probably debatable. I have no problem in the end with what he did, he wanted things much easier which is fine. That's not a crime at all. It simply says who he is. He's played well these playoffs. I can't dispute that.

Justin Masterson, Tony Sipp, Joshua Cribbs, Joe Haden, Jack Hannahan, Manny Acta, Michael Brantley, Travis Hafner, Colt McCoy, Asdrubal Cabrera, Fausto Carmona, Chris Perez, Vinnie Pestano, et al.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Really? There were 800 foot murals of him and sellouts every single game, oh you mean on the court perhaps...ok. That whole issue is probably debatable. I have no problem in the end with what he did, he wanted things much easier which is fine. That's not a crime at all. It simply says who he is. He's played well these playoffs. I can't dispute that.

Justin Masterson, Tony Sipp, Joshua Cribbs, Joe Haden, Jack Hannahan, Manny Acta, Michael Brantley, Travis Hafner, Colt McCoy, Asdrubal Cabrera, Fausto Carmona, Chris Perez, Vinnie Pestano, et al.

There is nothing debatable about it.

Cute list though.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

There is nothing debatable about it.

Cute list though.

He got tons of not proper support in Cleveland. Gilbert gave him free reign which was wrong of Gilbert and led to his silly little letter as Gilbert did everything for the guy including running any trades through him. Yes, that's a Gilbert problem but they tried everything in their means through trades to find the right components when how much LeBron really assisted in attracting free agents is certainly debatable. And every one of those trades had to get LeBron's approval. It was too much power for a punky kid and led to Ferry leaving and to Mike Brown's firing and despite all that he made his "decision". Nothing wrong with it, but it is what it is. And in the end the reason the talent on the court was perhaps not as good as other teams other than him was because of his anticipated "decision" they had to make panic trade after panic trade to attempt to do it "now". That's a tough road to hoe for an organization. guy can play, but he's a punk. This was displayed when another Cleveland team was destroying his beloved Yankee team in the post season, he had to try to make himself the story of that series to the best of his ability.

[Dahoss]

I'm not defending Lebron, had you read what I said prior to trying to troll, I said I don't know how anyone can defend him.

All I am saying is no one was going to win a championship with the teams Gilbert gave him to work with. No one. The way he handled himself with the decision and everything since then has been embarrassing. But the decision to leave was the correct one.

[clyde]

The power of AMERICA'S TEAM.





Such frustration....tsk-tsk.

[Dahoss]

Wrong thread Romeo.

[clyde]

Any thread needs AMERICA'S TEAM....fucl<face.

[Dahoss]

Touchy touchy.

[clyde]

doo dah to you and your entire US Keds collection.



You can have the last word,nerd.

[Dahoss]

Someone needs their midol.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'm not defending Lebron, had you read what I said prior to trying to troll, I said I don't know how anyone can defend him.

All I am saying is no one was going to win a championship with the teams Gilbert gave him to work with. No one. The way he handled himself with the decision and everything since then has been embarrassing. But the decision to leave was the correct one.

In essence their fate was sealed the first offseason with LeBron. they were still a lottery team and had a legit number two guy in Boozer. They thought they had an agreement with Boozer to extend and then fiasco ensued and he left. That combined with them drafting Luke Jackson from Oregon with their lottery pick was pretty much it. I'd have to go back and see who they could have gotten with that pick, but it was one of the worst picks in NBA history. From that point on they never got high draft picks and they actually got serviceable players in Shannon Brown and JJ Hickson from some of those but they were not difference makers like you get picking high. It became a desperate search to find mainly stationary 3 point shooters to compliment LeBron through a series of trades and bad free agents. I think they did the best they could with what they were working with. And the Boozer fiasco and Luke Jackson occurred pre-Giilbert. And that was the precursar of everything.

[King Glorious]

The Bulls don't run many plays with Rose anyway so to expect them to run one with the ball in his hands at the end of the game was not a good expectation. Every should be able to see that running a play in that situation probably hurts them far more than helps them. Are you going to run a play for someone else? No. Just about any play for Rose would involve a screener and that's exactly what the Bulls didn't want in that situation. Miami has length and quickness on defense and they don't have to fight through the screen and try to help and recover. They just switch and by bringing up a screener, it would have made Rose have to beat 1 1/2 to two guys. Their best option was to hope that he could beat his man to the basket but with James on him, that was going to be very hard because James doesn't have to play up on him as tight because he can outjump him and get his hand in Rose's face from farther away. It just wasn't a good recipe for success for Chicago.

On the other end, Miami isn't doing anything spectacular on offense but they continue to do just enough. It appears that James and Wade coast for long stretches because they know that either or both of them can turn it on for a 5-8 minute burst and do serious damage and they are trying to save that energy until it's needed most. Neither one of them is playing with the same full game intensity that they did playing alone. Fortunately for them, they've been right. Another major difference between the two teams is that Miami needs a contribution from a third and fourth player but it doesn't matter which two players those are, as long as they get it. In order for Chicago to have any chance, Boozer and Deng have to produce because none of their bench guys have a chance of coming in and producing what they need. All of their offensive pressure is on the starters and those guys are inconsistent. With James and Wade, you KNOW that if they really need it, they can get it. Chicago doesn't have anyone like that. It's a huge psychological advantage. Chicago is out there feeling like they better get up by 12+ in order to have a shot because as long as Miami is within 10, they feel they can get that whenever they want and especially so if they are within 5-6.

Simply put, as Van Gundy said last night in talking about Dirk, when you have the best player on the court, you have a high level of confidence. It's even moreso when you have the two best players on the court and one of them is the best player in the world. Like him or hate him, James is the best player in the world and Wade is arguably the second best. Watching him take on the challenge of Rose and then when they play Dallas and he's going to spend time defending Dirk, it's incredible. How many players can defend those two guys and still be a 25-8-8 guy on offense? Only one. Him.