Uncle Mo gets treatment at Winstar

[3kings]

Originally Posted by OldDog

I don't know why this is so tough for some to embrace. My veterinarian friends echo what you are saying.

I think what some people are saying is:

The horse had an infection( which was treated) but was still not good enough to Win the derby. So instead of losing and perhaps deminishing his value, they said the problem was lingering. Many think the horse has not advanced since last year and he had a leg issue. Don't run and lose and many will remember how good he was last year. Continue to run and lose and deminish his value. They are doing the right thing for their horse and their wallet.

[Mawhip]

My point of all this is that you can't believe a word of what Pletcher and Repole are saying. Whether they don't know or Pletcher is covering up a condition that he doesn't want anybody to know about, I'm not sure. But with his track record, I'm not giving him the benefit of any doubt.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

My point of all this is that you can't believe a word of what Pletcher and Repole are saying. Whether they don't know or Pletcher is covering up a condition that he doesn't want anybody to know about, I'm not sure. But with his track record, I'm not giving him the benefit of any doubt.

Who's bad record the Hall of Fame bound trainer, or the owner who started claiming learned the game from the ground up albeit with a new Bankroll and has one a BC race in like his 5 years owning horses?

Who cares if they arent being truthful?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

My point of all this is that you can't believe a word of what Pletcher and Repole are saying. Whether they don't know or Pletcher is covering up a condition that he doesn't want anybody to know about, I'm not sure. But with his track record, I'm not giving him the benefit of any doubt.

What possible condition could he be covering up? Why would anyone care if one particular ailment was bothering the horse versus another? As I have tried to express many times, this is not an exact science. Look at Rags to Riches. Her exercise rider kept saying that she didnt feel right. Pletcher sent her off to the best clinics in the world for complete examination's which didn't come up with much. Then a few weeks later she comes up with a broken pastern. The best hospitals and doctors in the world knew something was wrong with an ultra valuable mare and still couldnt find it. Maybe if the equine version of House was available?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What possible condition could he be covering up? Why would anyone care if one particular ailment was bothering the horse versus another? As I have tried to express many times, this is not an exact science. Look at Rags to Riches. Her exercise rider kept saying that she didnt feel right. Pletcher sent her off to the best clinics in the world for complete examination's which didn't come up with much. Then a few weeks later she comes up with a broken pastern. The best hospitals and doctors in the world knew something was wrong with an ultra valuable mare and still couldnt find it. Maybe if the equine version of House was available?

I think wht MaWhip is attemting to say is where there is smoke there is fire and Pletcher seems FOS covering up something that is up.. My point is who cares, the horse is finished and if they want to ease into the he has done enough speach whatever..

As for Rags to Riches shirley you arent suggesting that the vets missed a busted pastern?

[lemoncrush]

Who is more likely to race again?

Uncle Mo or boys at Toscanova?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Who is more likely to race again?

Uncle Mo or boys at Toscanova?

Good prop bet. I'd say Boys at Tos is more likely to run because he is worth about .50 cents as a stallion.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Who is more likely to race again?

Uncle Mo or boys at Toscanova?

3 months later, it appears Uncle Mo will be the correct answer. But, it looks like "boys" may finally be on his way back.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ck-on-work-tab

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

3 months later, it appears Uncle Mo will be the correct answer. But, it looks like "boys" may finally be on his way back.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ck-on-work-tab

After he loses his comeback the owner should rashly take the horse away and give him to Ron Ellis.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I think wht MaWhip is attemting to say is where there is smoke there is fire and Pletcher seems FOS covering up something that is up.. My point is who cares, the horse is finished and if they want to ease into the he has done enough speach whatever..

As for Rags to Riches shirley you arent suggesting that the vets missed a busted pastern?

They absolutely missed it

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They absolutely missed it

They missed a completely busted pastern? Gotcha

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

They missed a completely busted pastern? Gotcha

Let me explain this to you one more time.

Rider says horse is not right
Horse sent to clinic
Horse given clean bill of health
Horse returns to training
Rider says horse still doesn't feel right
Horse sent to different clinic
Clinic can't find anything
Horse sent back into training
Horse runs sub par race
Horse exits race with broken pastern

You don't have to know anything about anything to see what happened here.

I had a filly with a decent pedigree at Tampa a few years back that wasn't training up to par. No heat, no swelling. Xrays and ultrasound showed nothing. Sent her to the clinic in Ocala for a nuclear scan and zero x rays. They pretty much came up with nothing. Gave her a little time (the supposed magic trick). Brought her back toward the end of the meet to run her one more time to see if we could break her maiden and send her to the shed. She ran her typical race and got beat a nose. Came out of the race with a fractured fetlock.

Do you think that injury was random or wasn't what was bothering her initially?

There is a tremendous amount of guess work done with horses in training even with million dollar horses.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by freddymo

As for Rags to Riches shirley you arent suggesting that the vets missed a busted pastern?

No, a busted pastern is impossible to miss. They were looking hard for some instability or defect, yet couldn't find one. Yet that instability was real, it lead to the busted pastern. The top lameness gurus are sharp. They can see amazing things via imaging (ultrasound, MRI, even ordinary rads) but they can't always see everything, even if they are looking for it.

Uncle Mo wasn't doing well. The routine tests were done. They showed some mild non-specific abnormalities. So the specific tests were done. Nothing worse was shown. The mild abnormality was treated. Treatment done. Problem still there. Time to look again. This isn't rocket science, it's just medicine.

Speaking of lameness gurus - or surgeons who deserve the title - on a good note, look at Battle of Hastings (who was injured near the finish). This wasn't treatable 30 years ago like it is today. http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-after-surgery

But here's Archarcharch, who had essentially the same basic injury as BOH, but was injured at the start, and ran the entire Derby on a fracture. So he ended up with more problems, and is retired. Both horses had same competent vet. http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...red-owner-says

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Riot

Speaking of lameness gurus

Don't ever talk about Freddy that way.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Don't ever talk about Freddy that way.

Freddy is the King of Lame.