Uncle Mo gets treatment at Winstar

Riot · #1 05-10-2011, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mawhip

In my opinon, Pletcher had to come up with something that would explain Uncle Mo's physical appearance, i.e massive weight loss. So he comes up with a gastrointestinal tract infection. If you believe that's what it is then fine. I don't.

The horse has classic symptoms of a subtle chronic active problem with his liver or gastrointestinal tract (there could be one or two other things going on). The horse has had a battery of diagnostic tests at a referral hospital, a few possibilities for cause where determined based upon the results, the horse was placed on a specific course of treatment (medicine 101 for this presentation, btw) and when the course of treatment was done the horse still isn't 100%. So now they have to continue to try and determine what is going on.

Looking at it from a medical point of view, nothing secretive or conspiratorial or weird about that in the least.

parsixfarms · #2 05-10-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot

The horse has classic symptoms of a subtle chronic active problem with his liver or gastrointestinal tract (there could be one or two other things going on). The horse has had a battery of diagnostic tests at a referral hospital, a few possibilities for cause where determined based upon the results, the horse was placed on a specific course of treatment (medicine 101 for this presentation, btw) and when the course of treatment was done the horse still isn't 100%. So now they have to continue to try and determine what is going on.

Looking at it from a medical point of view, nothing secretive or conspiratorial or weird about that in the least.

In Pletcher's barn it's likely that Uncle Mo has long been on Gastroguard (or something similar) on a regular basis. For that reason, my initial reaction was that, if he's got something wrong in the GI tract, it must be something pretty serious. Does this follow, or are they completely unrelated?

OldDog · #3 05-10-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot

The horse has classic symptoms of a subtle chronic active problem with his liver or gastrointestinal tract (there could be one or two other things going on). The horse has had a battery of diagnostic tests at a referral hospital, a few possibilities for cause where determined based upon the results, the horse was placed on a specific course of treatment (medicine 101 for this presentation, btw) and when the course of treatment was done the horse still isn't 100%. So now they have to continue to try and determine what is going on.
Looking at it from a medical point of view, nothing secretive or conspiratorial or weird about that in the least.

I don't know why this is so tough for some to embrace. My veterinarian friends echo what you are saying.

3kings · #4 05-10-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDog

I don't know why this is so tough for some to embrace. My veterinarian friends echo what you are saying.

I think what some people are saying is:

The horse had an infection( which was treated) but was still not good enough to Win the derby. So instead of losing and perhaps deminishing his value, they said the problem was lingering. Many think the horse has not advanced since last year and he had a leg issue. Don't run and lose and many will remember how good he was last year. Continue to run and lose and deminish his value. They are doing the right thing for their horse and their wallet.

Mawhip · #5 05-10-2011, 11:57 AM

My point of all this is that you can't believe a word of what Pletcher and Repole are saying. Whether they don't know or Pletcher is covering up a condition that he doesn't want anybody to know about, I'm not sure. But with his track record, I'm not giving him the benefit of any doubt.

freddymo · #6 05-10-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mawhip

My point of all this is that you can't believe a word of what Pletcher and Repole are saying. Whether they don't know or Pletcher is covering up a condition that he doesn't want anybody to know about, I'm not sure. But with his track record, I'm not giving him the benefit of any doubt.

Who's bad record the Hall of Fame bound trainer, or the owner who started claiming learned the game from the ground up albeit with a new Bankroll and has one a BC race in like his 5 years owning horses?

Who cares if they arent being truthful?

Cannon Shell · #7 05-10-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mawhip

My point of all this is that you can't believe a word of what Pletcher and Repole are saying. Whether they don't know or Pletcher is covering up a condition that he doesn't want anybody to know about, I'm not sure. But with his track record, I'm not giving him the benefit of any doubt.

What possible condition could he be covering up? Why would anyone care if one particular ailment was bothering the horse versus another? As I have tried to express many times, this is not an exact science. Look at Rags to Riches. Her exercise rider kept saying that she didnt feel right. Pletcher sent her off to the best clinics in the world for complete examination's which didn't come up with much. Then a few weeks later she comes up with a broken pastern. The best hospitals and doctors in the world knew something was wrong with an ultra valuable mare and still couldnt find it. Maybe if the equine version of House was available?

freddymo · #8 05-10-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What possible condition could he be covering up? Why would anyone care if one particular ailment was bothering the horse versus another? As I have tried to express many times, this is not an exact science. Look at Rags to Riches. Her exercise rider kept saying that she didnt feel right. Pletcher sent her off to the best clinics in the world for complete examination's which didn't come up with much. Then a few weeks later she comes up with a broken pastern. The best hospitals and doctors in the world knew something was wrong with an ultra valuable mare and still couldnt find it. Maybe if the equine version of House was available?

I think wht MaWhip is attemting to say is where there is smoke there is fire and Pletcher seems FOS covering up something that is up.. My point is who cares, the horse is finished and if they want to ease into the he has done enough speach whatever..

As for Rags to Riches shirley you arent suggesting that the vets missed a busted pastern?

lemoncrush · #9 05-10-2011, 02:42 PM

Who is more likely to race again?

Uncle Mo or boys at Toscanova?

Cannon Shell · #10 05-10-2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I think wht MaWhip is attemting to say is where there is smoke there is fire and Pletcher seems FOS covering up something that is up.. My point is who cares, the horse is finished and if they want to ease into the he has done enough speach whatever..

As for Rags to Riches shirley you arent suggesting that the vets missed a busted pastern?

They absolutely missed it

Riot · #11 05-10-2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

As for Rags to Riches shirley you arent suggesting that the vets missed a busted pastern?

No, a busted pastern is impossible to miss. They were looking hard for some instability or defect, yet couldn't find one. Yet that instability was real, it lead to the busted pastern. The top lameness gurus are sharp. They can see amazing things via imaging (ultrasound, MRI, even ordinary rads) but they can't always see everything, even if they are looking for it.

Uncle Mo wasn't doing well. The routine tests were done. They showed some mild non-specific abnormalities. So the specific tests were done. Nothing worse was shown. The mild abnormality was treated. Treatment done. Problem still there. Time to look again. This isn't rocket science, it's just medicine.

Speaking of lameness gurus - or surgeons who deserve the title - on a good note, look at Battle of Hastings (who was injured near the finish). This wasn't treatable 30 years ago like it is today. http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-after-surgery

But here's Archarcharch, who had essentially the same basic injury as BOH, but was injured at the start, and ran the entire Derby on a fracture. So he ended up with more problems, and is retired. Both horses had same competent vet. http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...red-owner-says

Riot · #12 05-10-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDog

I don't know why this is so tough for some to embrace. My veterinarian friends echo what you are saying.

That's because we are conspiratorial, and all stick together

Indian Charlie · #13 05-10-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot

The horse has classic symptoms of a subtle chronic active problem with his liver or gastrointestinal tract (there could be one or two other things going on). The horse has had a battery of diagnostic tests at a referral hospital, a few possibilities for cause where determined based upon the results, the horse was placed on a specific course of treatment (medicine 101 for this presentation, btw) and when the course of treatment was done the horse still isn't 100%. So now they have to continue to try and determine what is going on.

Looking at it from a medical point of view, nothing secretive or conspiratorial or weird about that in the least.

The ol' dartboard approach. This I believe more than the conspiracy, but I've been wrong on every other aspect of this story, so who knows.