10:30pm Sunday Night President's Having a Press Conference?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

How many allies do we have where it's custom for a father to kill his daughter in order to preserve his honor?

Play with dogs you get fleas. These people are lower than dogs!

india is our ally, they still have areas there where folks throw a widow on her husbands funeral pyre. china is our #1 trading partner, they don't exactly have a stellar human rights' record. or womens' rights for that matter, where female babies are routinely abandoned, aborted, or killed. after all, if you can only have one, it better be a boy-girls are a dime a dozen.

at any rate, way to go with exploring the logic in what i said, or refuting it with logic.
when you say 'these people' do you mean all pakistanis, or just the ones who believe in honor killings? because, even tho it might be hard for you to grasp, 'they' don't all think that way.

just like not 'all of us' are of the same belief about things.


edit~and now i see somer already used the same three countries!

[Riot]

I may not like some cultural aspects of some of their citizens, but if the growing-into-the-fourth largest country in the world is chronically politically unstable and also has nuclear weapons - yeah. We have a real vested interest in what happens there.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

india is our ally, they still have areas there where folks throw a widow on her husbands funeral pyre. china is our #1 trading partner, they don't exactly have a stellar human rights' record. or womens' rights for that matter, where female babies are routinely abandoned, aborted, or killed. after all, if you can only have one, it better be a boy-girls are a dime a dozen.

at any rate, way to go with exploring the logic in what i said, or refuting it with logic.
when you say 'these people' do you mean all pakistanis, or just the ones who believe in honor killings? because, even tho it might be hard for you to grasp, 'they' don't all think that way.
just like not 'all of us' are of the same belief about things.


edit~and now i see somer already used the same three countries!

The people who look the other way, sisters, uncles, aunts are similarly guilty and judging by the NY column I posted where numbers are in the 80% range for arranged marriage, I'd say most. OF course EVERYONE involved in a honor killing (thought to number 4,000 over the last 10 years in Pakistan) is bin Lladen like scum. Also these girls aren't normally killed with a single shot or painless drugging but instead are butchered. I'm am sure somewhere in Pakistan is at least a few people with enough common sense to fight what they know is evil however they still must be in the minority and thus silent.

BTW India has a caste system that is a slap in the face of human rights. Sorry born with the wrong last name you're a beggar for life. China compared to where they were have come a long way but still treat their citizens like one would control a roach problem. But killing your own daughter to preserve your own honor? That's a special Dahmer-like sickness/evil. Meanwhile the Human Rights council of the UN wants details on the bin Laden raid?

[dellinger63]

If my math is correct bin Laden's 19 year old wife who now reportedly was sent to him 5 years previous was 14 when she arrived? She is from Yemen so I suspect they also have 'issues' shall we say. Can we find the proud father-in-law?

[Danzig]

just so you know, i find all those things abhorrent...but as a country, we many times look away at certain things in order to further our agenda. that's what's happening in this case.
hell, look at one of our big allies during ww2. stalin was a monster, remember? but he was the lesser of two evils at the time.

pakistan is similar to that. we do what we can when we can; perhaps in future we can help them change. that takes time.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just so you know, i find all those things abhorrent...but as a country, we many times look away at certain things in order to further our agenda. that's what's happening in this case.
hell, look at one of our big allies during ww2. stalin was a monster, remember? but he was the lesser of two evils at the time.

pakistan is similar to that. we do what we can when we can; perhaps in future we can help them change. that takes time.

Sorry we disagree but we need to take the high road. If we can stop mothers from packing school lunches for their children surely we can require fathers not to marry off or kill their daughters.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Sorry we disagree but we need to take the high road. If we can stop mothers from packing school lunches for their children surely we can require fathers not to marry off or kill their daughters.

Certainly this should never occur in America, as I've said before...life in prison or deport their butt (for forced marriages)...!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Certainly this should never occur in America, as I've said before...life in prison or deport their butt (for forced marriages)...!

But it does. 15 miles from where I grew up a girl is on the run 16 (I think) because of her barbaric father and the chicago press are giving little coverage (apparantly she's being safe housed thank God and allah) and the coverage they do, shows a grieving father with no explaination of why the daughter is missing tho most everyone knows the 'Paul Harvey' full version.

Father facing no charges.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Sorry we disagree but we need to take the high road. If we can stop mothers from packing school lunches for their children surely we can require fathers not to marry off or kill their daughters.

it's all well and good to say that, but we have a big issue over there, and we need pakistans assistance (limited as it is). doesn't mean we like how things are there, or agree with them, or want their ways to become ours. besides, isn't the saying you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?? look at tunisia, egypt...people there are moving towards freedom; the same can happen elsewhere, including pakistan. as word spreads, so will freedom and change.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's all well and good to say that, but we have a big issue over there, and we need pakistans assistance (limited as it is). doesn't mean we like how things are there, or agree with them, or want their ways to become ours. besides, isn't the saying you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?? look at tunisia, egypt...people there are moving towards freedom; the same can happen elsewhere, including pakistan. as word spreads, so will freedom and change.

We have 2 options we give them the 3.5 billion and find out whether they're friends or we give them nothing and find out the same thing. With the second suggestion we save 3.5 billion. No brainer IMO.

At a minimum, the new Egypt is likely to be less friendly to the US and less committed to peace with Israel, both of whom are popularly associated with the Mubarak regime. As such, Egypt would be far less inclined to support American policies in the region, including counter-terrorism cooperation, and to play its traditional stabilizing role in the peace process and Mideast generally. An Egypt such as this would constitute a dramatic change for the worse in the regional balance of power.

http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/...y-on-the-nile/