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[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

American Muslims have been consistent in their relief this monster is gone.

American Muslims at least Pakistani muslim males living in NYC have their own secret problem..........


It's a well-kept secret in Pakistani homes across the city: Young women violently forced to return to their homeland for arranged marriages.

In homes throughout the metropolitan area, violence against thousands of young women who are forced to go back to Pakistan to wed is shamelessly hushed as a "family matter."

"Eighty percent of the community has this problem" in New York, said Bazah Roohi of the Asian American Network Against Abuse of Human Rights (ANAA). "Women don't have their own choice.

"They try to fight. They are unsuccessful. Parents are very strict. They just beat them and take them to Pakistan.

"Their fathers and brothers say, "This is [a] family problem,'" said Roohi. "Then [the girls] disappear."

A Queens woman, now 29, recounted how as a teen she was tricked and drugged by her parents and forced to return to Pakistan to wed.

"My father said, 'You're going to get married. I have a gun in my bag. I'm going to use it,'" she recalled.

Her horrific ordeal ended when she escaped a year later.

In Pakistan, it would not have been a crime if her father pulled the trigger, but an "honor killing."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007...me_to_p-2.html

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

American Muslims at least Pakistani muslim males living in NYC have their own secret problem..........


It's a well-kept secret in Pakistani homes across the city: Young women violently forced to return to their homeland for arranged marriages.

In homes throughout the metropolitan area, violence against thousands of young women who are forced to go back to Pakistan to wed is shamelessly hushed as a "family matter."

"Eighty percent of the community has this problem" in New York, said Bazah Roohi of the Asian American Network Against Abuse of Human Rights (ANAA). "Women don't have their own choice.

"They try to fight. They are unsuccessful. Parents are very strict. They just beat them and take them to Pakistan.

"Their fathers and brothers say, "This is [a] family problem,'" said Roohi. "Then [the girls] disappear."

A Queens woman, now 29, recounted how as a teen she was tricked and drugged by her parents and forced to return to Pakistan to wed.

"My father said, 'You're going to get married. I have a gun in my bag. I'm going to use it,'" she recalled.

Her horrific ordeal ended when she escaped a year later.

In Pakistan, it would not have been a crime if her father pulled the trigger, but an "honor killing."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007...me_to_p-2.html

This is less than shocking.

[Riot]

Anybody wanting to know how "American Muslims" are reacting to bin Laden's death hasn't been reading the news. There is plenty there. As bin Laden killed many Muslims and bastardized Islam in the name of terror, they are thrilled. And hope that his death will help take the unreasonable and unjustified hate away that is directed at them over the past 10 years.

Unfortunately I doubt that last one with some people.

Originally Posted by Mike
There needs to be a real poll to see what your typical American muslim thinks about the killing of bin-Laden.

I'm quite perturbed with what the main spokesmen of their institutions of higher learning, along with their most widely revered and respected clerics, seem to be saying about how we desecrated the body of one of theirs.

Is there a "typical Christian"? Who would that be? Like Christian sects, Muslim sects are not all alike. The ultra-conservative foreign imans say one thing, the middle says another, the liberal says another.

If you google "American Muslim reaction to death OBL" you will get hundreds of hits, all glad he's dead. You will see the "main spokesmen of their institutions of higher learning and widely revered and respected clerics" are thrilled he's dead.

The US did consult Islamic experts on burying bin Laden at sea, and it's fine. It's the extremists that are not happy with it. bin Laden didn't represent all Muslims - he was a freaking terrorist, for god's sake.

It's the war on terror, not the war on Muslims.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/05...l-the-ideology.

Chicago: American Muslims, like their non-Muslim peers, are welcoming the news that Osama bin Laden was killed Sunday. Many Muslims add that even though the death of the Al Qaeda leader is a positive step in fighting global terrorism, the greater challenge is ending the hateful dogma Mr. bin Laden represented – a dogma that many saw as a gross distortion of their faith.

Bin Laden’s ideologies created “an albatross around the practitioners of Islam, including American Muslims,” which is why his death prompts a collective "sigh of relief,” says Madhi Bray, spokesperson for the Muslim American Society, a civil liberties organization based in Washington, DC.

“You have the kill to ideology that has supported Al Qaeda. That’s going to be the great mission, to fight intolerance and the lack of sensitivity among people,” Mr. Bray says.

Muslims in the U.S. reacted quickly, and with relief, Monday to the news that Osama bin Laden had been killed. But some wondered if it will really ease tensions that many Muslims feel from their neighbors.

On the streets of Dearborn, Mich., Muslims were reveling in the death of the al-Qaida leader.

"This guy should have been dead a long time ago," says Hassain Yami. "Hopefully the rest them will be dead soon."

http://www.npr.org/2011/05/02/135926...ut-not-for-all

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201..._of_bin_l.html
Hours after Osama bin Laden’s death was announced, the office of the Paterson-based American Arab Forum received a phone call. The person on the line was looking for Aref Assaf, the organization’s Columbia University-educated president.

"‘Tell your boss that we got his friend and we’re going to get him,’" the man said, according to Assaf, who dismissed the threat as kids pulling a prank.

While the call represented a kind of hostility Assaf said many Arabs commonly endure in the United States, he believed bin Laden’s death might create an opportunity "to open a new chapter."

"We have been paying the price for bin Laden for the last 10 years," Assaf said. "Enough castigating our community. We hope this will serve as a reminder to America that the real source of terror was not in Paterson or Dearborn, Michigan (two cities with significant Arab and Muslim populations) but in Afghanistan and Pakistan."

http://live.washingtonpost.com/osama...-reaction.html

Harris Zafar serves as National Spokesperson and National Director of Youth Outreach for the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA. In this role, Harris leads the effort to role-out the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community’s nationwide Muslims for Peace initiative across the 60+ youth chapters throughout the country, as well as to encourage Muslim youth to speak out about the true, peaceful and tolerant teachings of Islam. Harris is a frequent speaker and lecturer about Islam at conferences, universities, schools, churches and other public events. He is also an award-winning member of the Muslim Writers Guild of America. An American-born Muslim, Harris frequently writes about Islamic issues in various publications.

Muslim response

How do the Muslims and Al'Queda feel about the death of their leader?
A. Harris Zafar : First, I need to clarify that Osama bin Laden is NOT a Muslim leader, nor has he ever been. He is a political leader who aims to spread hate and violence. Al-Qaeda is certainly going to show a response. But as follwers of the real teachings of Islam, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community says that their political ideology is completely contrary to the teachings of Islam.

Osama and the future of terrorism
How do you see the future of terrorism in the name of Islam after this event? Do you see more acceptance of your message of peace and loyalty among American Muslims?

A. Harris Zafar : I hope to see more acceptance, although I don't know if I can expect it. Usama did a LOT to damage the perception of Islam, and people don't really trust Muslims anymore. But groups like al-Qaeda have contributed to that. So as moderate Muslims, we know we have out work cut out for us, which is why we won't stop advocating for a separation of mosque and state, for freedom of religion and speech, and for loyalty to our country. We will still use our Muslims for Peace platform (www.MuslimsForPeace.org) to spread Islam's message.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

American Muslims at least Pakistani muslim males living in NYC have their own secret problem..........

It's nice you have a special emotional focus on the worldwide welfare of women, and women's rights. I'm sure what happens in Somalia is of great concern to you, too.

[Riot]

The interwebs is a wonderful thing ...

http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/...es.id-153.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_%28novel%29

[GPK]

F*cking 'eh...I gotta get internet at home. This sh*t of trying to catch up on threads like this is killing me.


Carry on...

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by GPK

F*cking 'eh...I gotta get internet at home. This sh*t of trying to catch up on threads like this is killing me.


Carry on...

the trick is to pace yourself,Kev!

[satan's twin]

Originally Posted by Riot

The interwebs is a wonderful thing ...

http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/...es.id-153.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_%28novel%29

Thanks

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's nice you have a special emotional focus on the worldwide welfare of women, and women's rights. I'm sure what happens in Somalia is of great concern to you, too.

believe it or not it is. As is their barbaric practice of castrating little girls and marrying them. Not to mention marrying or actually be forced to marry family members.

And before you start they're not OK.

[dellinger63]

But what really concerns me and it should you to is when it happens in our country and for PC reasons we look the other way.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

But what really concerns me and it should you to is when it happens in our country and for PC reasons we look the other way.

That does concern me and we should watch as these creeps are airmailed back to Pakistan, anyone caught doing any of this should automatically be deported and lose citizenship if they have same. There is nothing PC about exploitation of women!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

That does concern me and we should watch as these creeps are airmailed back to Pakistan, anyone caught doing any of this should automatically be deported and lose citizenship if they have same. There is nothing PC about exploitation of women!

[Mike]

Hey Riot, thanks for all the info. I'll get to it at some point. I guess I had placed too much emphasis on a few early reports I read online (Huffington Post, probably-it's my home page) and came away with the impression that I wrote of

Ya know, rather than come back at you with an angry diatribe, I'll actually look at the info you presented. Weird, isn't it?

[Nascar1966]

I wish this country would cut aid and diplomatic ties with Pakistan. They are not this country's friend on the fight on terrorism like some people in this country thinks they are. I'm pretty confident they knew where Bin Laden was hiding at. Pakistan doesn't this country's aid period. The aid Pakistan gets could be used for helping the homeless people.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I wish this country would cut aid and diplomatic ties with Pakistan. They are not this country's friend on the fight on terrorism like some people in this country thinks they are. I'm pretty confident they knew where Bin Laden was hiding at. Pakistan doesn't this country's aid period. The aid Pakistan gets could be used for helping the homeless people.

They got nukes.....and we've pandered to them for so long! I was thinking the Braintrust will have to figure that one out, and then I remembered.....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

They got nukes.....and we've pandered to them for so long! I was thinking the Braintrust will have to figure that one out, and then I remembered.....

you might want to put a bit more thought into why we are working w/paskistan, what we've been doing in pakistan, the geography of the region, and who else we are allied with there-as well as who we are opposed to there. maybe you'll see there's more to it than what you've come up with so far.

some questions , while we're on the subject. do you imagine that many of our allies would sit by and watch, with not much more than the occasional 'hey!', while we conducted drone strikes, bombings, raids, killings, etc within their borders? do you think that maybe pakistan make noises once in a while so as not to seem just to be our puppet, in order to keep some of their most unhappy citizens off their backs?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

some questions , while we're on the subject. do you imagine that many of our allies would sit by and watch, with not much more than the occasional 'hey!', while we conducted drone strikes, bombings, raids, killings, etc within their borders? do you think that maybe pakistan make noises once in a while so as not to seem just to be our puppet, in order to keep some of their most unhappy citizens off their backs?

How many allies do we have where it's custom for a father to kill his daughter in order to preserve his honor?

Play with dogs you get fleas. These people are lower than dogs!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

How many allies do we have where it's custom for a father to kill his daughter in order to preserve his honor?

Play with dogs you get fleas. These people are lower than dogs!

I keep bringing this fact up because how are we to expect them to believe the killing of innocent people is evil when killing their own innocent family members is acceptable and their culture?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

How many allies do we have where it's custom for a father to kill his daughter in order to preserve his honor?

Play with dogs you get fleas. These people are lower than dogs!

india is our ally, they still have areas there where folks throw a widow on her husbands funeral pyre. china is our #1 trading partner, they don't exactly have a stellar human rights' record. or womens' rights for that matter, where female babies are routinely abandoned, aborted, or killed. after all, if you can only have one, it better be a boy-girls are a dime a dozen.

at any rate, way to go with exploring the logic in what i said, or refuting it with logic.
when you say 'these people' do you mean all pakistanis, or just the ones who believe in honor killings? because, even tho it might be hard for you to grasp, 'they' don't all think that way.

just like not 'all of us' are of the same belief about things.


edit~and now i see somer already used the same three countries!