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10-22-2006, 09:09 AM
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..Dr Fager
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.AP, 24-Aug-68
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i think secretariat was the best racehorse there ever was.....but to me dr. fager's record is the most impressive. how many horses in the last 38 years have run a race at 8f? i'm guessing millions.....and most of them were not carrying 134 lbs.......yet his record still stands. 
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10-22-2006, 09:10 AM
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by the way......really good idea for a thread.
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10-22-2006, 09:19 AM
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If Dr. Fager's record is so impressive how come he shares it with Najran, who wasn't exactly a superhorse?
Secretariats record is all by itself.
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10-22-2006, 09:43 AM
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Najran was no Dr. Fager, but he was VERY fast, and when really right, in 2003, exceptionally fast. In addition to his 1:32.1 mile, he also ripped a 1:08.1 6f in the Phoenix. And as an aside, Fager's record came carrying 132, Najhran 113. Denegrating Fager's record by associating it negatively with Najran is illogical. Fager's record and performance level is basically without parallel in American racing history.
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10-22-2006, 09:43 AM
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i'd take the docs and the bids. had spectacular bid run 12 that day, secs record would have gone down.
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10-22-2006, 09:46 AM
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Also, Spectacular Bid was a better horse than Secretariat IMO. Secretariat never came close to SB's mile and a quarter record. The mile and a quarter distance is the most important distance for classic horses. That is why both the Kentucky Derby and the Breeder's Cup Classic are run at that distance in addition to the Hollywood Gold Cup, Jockey Club Gold Cup, Santa Anita Handicap, Pacific Classic, Travers, and Suburban. An argument for Secretariat would be that he still holds the track and stakes record at Churchill Downs. Of course, SB remains in a league of his own as a four year old still today. No horse could have matched SB as a four year old. None. He proved that by setting numerous records, having a walk-over, and going out undefeated for his four year old year. A phenomenal racehorse... Of course, I don't think that any horse could have matched Secretariat in his three year old year either...
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10-22-2006, 09:51 AM
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As for the Bid's record, he did it at age 4. Notice only 1 record is held by a 3yr old, and years ago there were so big races other than the Belmont run at 12f. Nobody has ever come close to it. Not close. Secretariat still holds the Kentucky Derby record, and every single year 20 of the top horses in the world try to break it, and despite the efforts of the track maintenance crew, nobody has come close.
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10-22-2006, 09:58 AM
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Monarchos came close in 2000  . Yet, there is another example of an inferior horse (sorry Monarchos) being the first to break two minutes in the Derby since Secretariat and Sham. Do you now see why the Najran comparison isn't logical? Bellamy Road equalled Riva Ridge's record when he was a three year old... It is also interesting that Belmont Park deepened and slowed the track down after Ruffian's death. So, no horse since Ruffian's death has had the chance to do what Secretariat did that day at Belmont. It is impossible. Of course, it may have been impossible anyway, but we will never know. The Belmont track will never be as fast as it was on that day. I'm not saying that it was all the track because it wasn't. Secretariat was just a great racehorse, and maybe the biggest freak that ever lived. However, Spectacular Bid did more during his career, and was better overall. Last edited by kentuckyrosesinmay : 10-22-2006 at 10:02 AM.
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10-22-2006, 10:13 AM
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2) Monarchos did not beat Secretariats track record, who cares about close 3) Weather has less to do with the track being souped up than track crews 4) Bellamy Road equaled Riva Ridge's track record at 9f, not Riva's world record at 9.5f. Bellamy is 2 full seconds short of the world record at 9f. 5) Secretariat is the only 3yr old with a world record. 6) Secretariat is a triple crown winner, Spectacular Bid is NOT. How was the Bid on the turf?
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10-22-2006, 12:58 PM
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10-22-2006, 01:16 PM
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I didn't see Cougar II's 11f in 2:11:0 on your list. Yes, it was on turf, but it was the fastest recorded at the distance on any surface at the time. All hail His Felinity!
Last edited by Pedigree Ann : 10-22-2006 at 01:24 PM.
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