Will we have two women running for President?

Somer, I was in Borders last night and came across a book called "Condi vs. Hillary: The Next Great Presidential Race". Apparently, the book has been out awhile. But thought you may be interested in reading it, if you didn't already know about it. I know they are strong, respectable women, but if they were involved in a heated debate, I think I'd still be distracted and want them to make out and mudwrestle

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

Somer, I was in Borders last night and came across a book called "Condi vs. Hillary: The Next Great Presidential Race". Apparently, the book has been out awhile. But thought you may be interested in reading it, if you didn't already know about it. I know they are strong, respectable women, but if they were involved in a heated debate, I think I'd still be distracted and want them to make out and mudwrestle

Bellamy, you crack me up. That was funny.

I don't like McCain. I used to really, really like him and if he'd been the candidate in 2000 I was going to have a tough choice. But the past few years I've watched him bend over and take it up the patootie from Bush on every major issue-- tax cuts for the wealthy (opposed in 2001, voted for this year), religious extremism (called Falwell an "agent of intolerance" some years back, then this year he spoke at Falwell's "university"), and most importantly to me, torture (pushed through the legislation then stood by silently while Bush gutted it). And if I'd been McCain I'd never, ever have forgiven Bush for the dirty tricks pulled in the South Carolina primary. But McCain clearly wants to be President so bad that he'll do anything to get the nomination, even tacitly endorse racism and torture. And that's not okay with me. Hell, the Times printed an article about how he and Hillary have a pretty good working relationship and even played a drinking game together (he was quoted as saying she can really hold her liquor) and now he's frantically denying the evening ever happened, despite the witnesses and fellow participants ("I did not do shots with that woman."). He's scared to say, yeah, Hillary and I hung out? WTF?

I'm not opposed to politicians changing their position if it comes out of a genuinely honest place (Truman was once a racist but later became the first President to address the NAACP), but McCain isn't showing me anything other than a man who will say and do anything to be President. And that's what made Kerry such a crummy candidate. Thanks, but no thanks. To borrow from John Stewart, McCain's hopped off the Straight Talk Express and boarded the bus to Crazytown.

And Giuliani's no better-- gone from supporting the assault weapons ban to embracing it's repeal. Dear lord, will we ever get out from under the Bush cabal? What next? Kissinger in '08?

I like Hillary. She's hawkish on defense, sure, but she's generally pretty moderate on most issues, willing to engage the other side on the abortion debate (which both sides desperately need), religious but doesn't let that influence her voting, and frankly, probably smarter than just about anybody else around (I watched some of the candidate's debate last night- woman's not exactly charismatic, but she knows her stuff-- especially farming issues for upstate New Yorkers) and she works really, really hard. And I think the major issues coming up for America, really, are going to be health care and energy and I can see her being willing to tackle those issues, which I can't really picture any of the Republican candidates doing.

But you never know. It'll be an interesting '08, anyway.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Bellamy, you crack me up. That was funny.

I don't like McCain. I used to really, really like him and if he'd been the candidate in 2000 I was going to have a tough choice. But the past few years I've watched him bend over and take it up the patootie from Bush on every major issue-- tax cuts for the wealthy (opposed in 2001, voted for this year), religious extremism (called Falwell an "agent of intolerance" some years back, then this year he spoke at Falwell's "university"), and most importantly to me, torture (pushed through the legislation then stood by silently while Bush gutted it). And if I'd been McCain I'd never, ever have forgiven Bush for the dirty tricks pulled in the South Carolina primary. But McCain clearly wants to be President so bad that he'll do anything to get the nomination, even tacitly endorse racism and torture. And that's not okay with me. Hell, the Times printed an article about how he and Hillary have a pretty good working relationship and even played a drinking game together (he was quoted as saying she can really hold her liquor) and now he's frantically denying the evening ever happened, despite the witnesses and fellow participants ("I did not do shots with that woman."). He's scared to say, yeah, Hillary and I hung out? WTF?

I'm not opposed to politicians changing their position if it comes out of a genuinely honest place (Truman was once a racist but later became the first President to address the NAACP), but McCain isn't showing me anything other than a man who will say and do anything to be President. And that's what made Kerry such a crummy candidate. Thanks, but no thanks. To borrow from John Stewart, McCain's hopped off the Straight Talk Express and boarded the bus to Crazytown.

And Giuliani's no better-- gone from supporting the assault weapons ban to embracing it's repeal. Dear lord, will we ever get out from under the Bush cabal? What next? Kissinger in '08?

I like Hillary. She's hawkish on defense, sure, but she's generally pretty moderate on most issues, willing to engage the other side on the abortion debate (which both sides desperately need), religious but doesn't let that influence her voting, and frankly, probably smarter than just about anybody else around (I watched some of the candidate's debate last night- woman's not exactly charismatic, but she knows her stuff-- especially farming issues for upstate New Yorkers) and she works really, really hard. And I think the major issues coming up for America, really, are going to be health care and energy and I can see her being willing to tackle those issues, which I can't really picture any of the Republican candidates doing.

But you never know. It'll be an interesting '08, anyway.

All good points GR, Truman is one of my favorite Presidents, perhaps the last one to really stand out imo. He grew so much in his political career, something that usually works in reverse for most! A plain spoken man with a temper who could be amusing but with a steel will...he made what to date is the hardest decision ever made by a US President...folks can agree or disagree with it but it had to be made and he alone could make it...and he did! Since him, we've had...well, we've had politicians but not statesmen, Ronnie came close, Tricky D-ick could have been great except for a "minor" character flaw or two, Clinton had his moments and the rest, yuck! I think Hillary is the most intelligent and hard working potential candidate, I'm still not sure what exactly she did that was so bad...a strong woman supporting her husband and willing to stand behind him in the shadows...seems like she acted with class and dignity despite some personally devastating events...yet people seem to hate her???

[GenuineRisk]

But hey, Revolution, I like John Edwards, too. I'd be happy with him as a candidate, also. I appreciate that someone out there remembers lots of Americans aren't making ends meet.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

But hey, Revolution, I like John Edwards, too. I'd be happy with him as a candidate, also. I appreciate that someone out there remembers lots of Americans aren't making ends meet.

The mom of Nostradmus and George Washington, the posters here, is a fundraiser and big contributor to John Edwards. When I had dinner with their family, Nostradamus told her John Edward (the guy who speaks to dead people) would be president before him. It was hilarious.

I must admit I like him because he is the only big name politican I have ever met. He came to Hofstra a couple years ago during the primary and I went with their family and met him. He is too young looking to be a President though. If his last name was Kennedy though, the idiots would come out and support him, and he actually got where he is on his own, his daddy didn't buy him his Senate seat.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Revolution

The mom of Nostradmus and George Washington, the posters here, is a fundraiser and big contributor to John Edwards. When I had dinner with their family, Nostradamus told her John Edward (the guy who speaks to dead people) would be president before him. It was hilarious.

I must admit I like him because he is the only big name politican I have ever met. He came to Hofstra a couple years ago during the primary and I went with their family and met him. He is too young looking to be a President though. If his last name was Kennedy though, the idiots would come out and support him, and he actually got where he is on his own, his daddy didn't buy him his Senate seat.

I like that he worked his way, up, too. And, although I try not to let my personal feelings affect my votes, I think it's awfully cute that he and his wife go to Wendy's for their anniversary every year, since it's where they went for their first one, being too poor then to go anywhere else.

I met Clinton once (he came to my workplace) and I must say, the man's charisma slams into you like an electric charge. I think people are born with that- I don't think you can learn it.

Somer, you've read McCullough's terrific bio of Truman, I assume? I have a very funny picture of myself from a children's theater tour I did years ago, of me in the dressing room before the show, dressed as a giant goose, reading that biography.

[randallscott35]

Studies show that women are actually harder on other women running for office. Without them behind Hillary in a big way, it is doubtful she'd have a chance. As an independent who voted for Nader in the last 2 elections, I want a viable 3rd party candidate. I'd vote for McCain or Guiliani on the Repub side. I'd vote for Edwards and a few others on the Dem side. But I really want an independent. Both parties take the people for granted.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Studies show that women are actually harder on other women running for office. Without them behind Hillary in a big way, it is doubtful she'd have a chance. As an independent who voted for Nader in the last 2 elections, I want a viable 3rd party candidate. I'd vote for McCain or Guiliani on the Repub side. I'd vote for Edwards and a few others on the Dem side. But I really want an independent. Both parties take the people for granted.

An independent would be awesome. Maybe Mike Bloomburg will do it with his money. I don't like him that much, but I would vote for any independent.

The Republicans and Democrats are the same people. Corrupt to the core. They just get their money from different interests.

[timmgirvan]

Personally, I don't think Hillary will run EVER, let alone garner the nomination! Far more charismatic and forceful leaders out there(although in the Democratic crowd that might be a misnomer) to choose from. No doubt that the domain of politics is 'dark' and I surmise most don't remain 'unscathed' while gathering support and the daunting campaigns that must be run! Would be nice to see US concentrate on Home Problems, and then go save the world,but that apparently is wishful thinking!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Revolution

An independent would be awesome. Maybe Mike Bloomburg will do it with his money. I don't like him that much, but I would vote for any independent.

The Republicans and Democrats are the same people. Corrupt to the core. They just get their money from different interests.

I like Bloomie, too, though I didn't vote for him in the last election because I was mad at him over the stupid proposed West Side Stadium here in NYC. I don't know if he wants higher office, though.

Randall, I think you're right that women are harder on each other than men are on each other (the main reason you all are still the ones in power-- if we ever get over this catfighting thing, look out... hee hee. Kidding. Kind of. No, I am. Maybe). But I think if a female candidate really goes after the issues important to women voters, she'll get the votes from them.

Boy, these days I'd like to say you're wrong about the Dems, Timm, but I'm pretty disgusted with most of them myself. For the love of Pete, just stand for something, donkeys! I desperately want them back in power in Congress because Bush's spending frenzy needs to be stopped, but it sucks to think if they win it'll be because the Republicans are that awful, not because they're that good. Argh.

Though I think they're avoiding the Iraq issue because the only "winning" strategy is bringing back the draft and upping the numbers of soldiers there, along with forking out the money to actually pay for the real cost of the war and that is political suicide. Bush has created a mess with no good solution. And it'll be left for his successor to clean up. Kind of a pattern with him...