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Old 04-11-2011, 10:21 AM
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Here are the Ragozin's for the Derby winner from '73 to '80:

1973 SECRETARIAT 0.75
1974 CANNONADE 8
1975 FOOLISH PLEASURE 6.25
1976 BOLD FORBES 6
1977 SEATTLE SLEW 7
1978 AFFIRMED 4
1979 SPECTACULAR BID 1.75
1980 GENUINE RISK 6.25

Sham and General Assembly both obviously ran huge races in defeat.
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:46 AM
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Pretty interesting quote I just stumbled upon from Bobby Frankel during the middle of Affirmed's 4yo season...








Affirmed never lost again after that quote ... winning his next five races - including four Grade 1's - the Californian and Hollywood Gold Cup in the West. And the Woodward and Jockey Club Gold Cup in the East.

Probably most interesting about that article though - was the horrid Jew 'Fro mop Frankel had on his head.
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Pretty interesting quote I just stumbled upon from Bobby Frankel during the middle of Affirmed's 4yo season...








Affirmed never lost again after that quote ... winning his next five races - including four Grade 1's - the Californian and Hollywood Gold Cup in the West. And the Woodward and Jockey Club Gold Cup in the East.

Probably most interesting about that article though - was the horrid Jew 'Fro mop Frankel had on his head.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:32 AM
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:36 AM
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Here was Shoemaker's take on the five best horses he ever rode....

He had to leave off a lot of greats because he rode so many - but naming Gallant Man over Damascus is sheer lunacy.


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Here was Shoemaker's take on the five best horses he ever rode....

He had to leave off a lot of greats because he rode so many - but naming Gallant Man over Damascus is sheer lunacy.
Feelings of guilt might have kept the memory of Gallant Man at the forefront of Shoemaker's mind. That's the colt that Shoemaker cost a Kentucky Derby victory for when he misjudged the finish line. I like how he called him a great 12f horse. Guess he wasn't ready to admit he was a good 10f horse, too.

Gallant Man was part of a three-way rivalry back in the day along with the speedy Bold Ruler and the stout Round Table. So his race record may be obscured a bit kind of like a modern day horse such as Formal Gold (who had to deal with Skip Away and Gentlemen among others).

Likewise, Damascus may be buried in Shoemaker's mind because of high profile losses in the Kentucky Derby and I think also the Charles H. Strub as heavy favorite. Plus, Damascus is ultimately often overshadowed by rival Dr. Fager.
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Old 04-12-2011, 10:26 AM
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Plus, Damascus is ultimately often overshadowed by rival Dr. Fager.
Yeah - he needed the rabbit to beat Dr. Fager - and all of his truly insanely huge wins came with obvious dreamy pace setups - but Damascus's 3-year-old season - I rated the 4th best in American history since 1900.

Gallant Man was certainly a great horse who faced great competition - but I thought clearly 3rd best of Round Table and Bold Ruler overall from all the info I had to work with.
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Gallant Man was certainly a great horse who faced great competition - but I thought clearly 3rd best of Round Table and Bold Ruler overall from all the info I had to work with.
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Gallant Man was part of a three-way rivalry back in the day along with the speedy Bold Ruler and the stout Round Table. So his race record may be obscured a bit kind of like a modern day horse such as Formal Gold (who had to deal with Skip Away and Gentlemen among others).
The Class of '57 is one of my favorite topics in racing, and Round Table at/near the top of my all time best list. But beyond him, Bold Ruler, Gallant Man, Iron Leige and Barbizon, Calumet's tragic Gen. Duke was probably the best of that immortal crop.
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