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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Nelson can guard an NBA point guard. Fredette can't guard ANYBODY. Nelson is an adequate defender.
Nelson average just under 6 assists per game in his college career. Fredette averaged 3.7
Nelson is a true point guard. Shoot first, yes, but a point guard. Fredette is an undersized 2 guard that doesn't have the quickness, passing skills or floor reading ability to handle it at the next level. The fact that Nelson is a "bit quicker" makes all the difference in the world at the next level. That is like saying Derek Rose is a "bit quicker" than Derek Fisher at this point. That "bit" is light years and it means the Lakers would need Kobe to cover him. And if Derek Fisher is a "bit slow" what would that make Fredette? A bit crippled?

Comparing a slow white 6 2 shooting guard to a NBA quick 5 11 point guard is getting back into the Delonte West zone as far as silliness.

Admit it they are quite comparable. Not hard to believe Nelson averaged more assists in college considering he played with an NBA backcourt mate who was good enough for the Celtics to sign this off season. When you have to resort to that you know you are grasping at straws. The point that I have been making is that they have comparable skill sets not they are identical twins or even equal in ability. You act as though I said the guy was similar to Shaq.

You seem to have some sort of racial bias considering you keep reminding us that Fredette is white. I know in the games I saw him play (maybe 4 times admittedly not that much since I probably have watched Nelson play 30 times this year) he didn't look slow to me. He isnt Tony Parker fast or Ramon Sessions fast but he isn't Bill Cartwright like you are making him out to be. Honestly how many times have you ever seen him play?

I would love to know how you know a guy doesn't have passing skills or floor reading ability since he obviously has been playing a different role in college and wasn't asked to do much traditional PG work. Of course you said Derrick Rose couldn't shoot and had no three point shooting ability which he obviously has shown he has this year. Did you think Russell Westbrook who averaged 12 and 4 the year prior to coming to the NBA would be averaging 22 and 8 three years later? He shot 68% FT's in college and 82% in the NBA. Did you see that coming as well?

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Oh yeah Jameer Nelson is Nash-like on defense. He is just fortunate to play with Dwight Howard behind him.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Admit it they are quite comparable. Not hard to believe Nelson averaged more assists in college considering he played with an NBA backcourt mate who was good enough for the Celtics to sign this off season. When you have to resort to that you know you are grasping at straws. The point that I have been making is that they have comparable skill sets not they are identical twins or even equal in ability. You act as though I said the guy was similar to Shaq.

You seem to have some sort of racial bias considering you keep reminding us that Fredette is white. I know in the games I saw him play (maybe 4 times admittedly not that much since I probably have watched Nelson play 30 times this year) he didn't look slow to me. He isnt Tony Parker fast or Ramon Sessions fast but he isn't Bill Cartwright like you are making him out to be. Honestly how many times have you ever seen him play?

I would love to know how you know a guy doesn't have passing skills or floor reading ability since he obviously has been playing a different role in college and wasn't asked to do much traditional PG work. Of course you said Derrick Rose couldn't shoot and had no three point shooting ability which he obviously has shown he has this year. Did you think Russell Westbrook who averaged 12 and 4 the year prior to coming to the NBA would be averaging 22 and 8 three years later? He shot 68% FT's in college and 82% in the NBA. Did you see that coming as well?

Derek Rose and Russell Westbrook are so incredibly athletic that defenders have to give them five feet or risk being blown by. Shooting ability isn't speed or athleticism. You can become a better shooter but at 22, you aren't going to get any quicker. Rose's improvement in shooting ability has surprised me...no doubt. I didn't expect him to get this good and certainly not this fast. But he is a completely different realm of athlete.

I have watch fredette play since he was a freshman coming off the bench when Ainge's son was at BYU. It was one of the seasons that Bzdelik was coaching at Air Force and that program was actually relevant...to the MWC at least. Fredette was the spark off the bench. Now how many of those games did you watch Chuck?

As far as the Delonte thing, I totally forgot that him and Nelson were backcourt mates at St Joes! Now, was that a concidence or a freudian slip when you compared Fredette to Jameer Nelson? There are much better comparisons than Jameer Nelson. Wouldn't Alford be a much better comparison? Or even Fred Hoiberg? Or Chris Jackson? Chris Jackson could be a great comparison although not nearly as athletic (and no tourrette's).

The margin for success in the NBA is slim and it gets slimmer the smaller the player is. Fredette doesn't look slow because as you and slowdirt pointed out, he plays against mid majors. He looked pretty slow against Florida. He even looked pretty slow against Wofford. Can you imagine how slow he would have looked against Uconn or Duke????

If he's not going to have a career that spans over 5 seasons avg of say 2000 minutes a season, and he won't, then what's the point of being right?

Mother is Catholic and his father is Mormon. NO SHOT.

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Derek Rose and Russell Westbrook are so incredibly athletic that defenders have to give them five feet or risk being blown by. Shooting ability isn't speed or athleticism. You can become a better shooter but at 22, you aren't going to get any quicker. Rose's improvement in shooting ability has surprised me...no doubt. I didn't expect him to get this good and certainly not this fast. But he is a completely different realm of athlete.

I have watch fredette play since he was a freshman coming off the bench when Ainge's son was at BYU. It was one of the seasons that Bzdelik was coaching at Air Force and that program was actually relevant...to the MWC at least. Fredette was the spark off the bench. Now how many of those games did you watch Chuck?

As far as the Delonte thing, I totally forgot that him and Nelson were backcourt mates at St Joes! Now, was that a concidence or a freudian slip when you compared Fredette to Jameer Nelson? There are much better comparisons than Jameer Nelson. Wouldn't Alford be a much better comparison? Or even Fred Hoiberg? Or Chris Jackson? Chris Jackson could be a great comparison although not nearly as athletic (and no tourrette's).

The margin for success in the NBA is slim and it gets slimmer the smaller the player is. Fredette doesn't look slow because as you and slowdirt pointed out, he plays against mid majors. He looked pretty slow against Florida. He even looked pretty slow against Wofford. Can you imagine how slow he would have looked against Uconn or Duke????

You stay classy (and wrong, but I digress...)!

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A column by Rick Reilly bolstering dumb-akhani's (HA! Get it, I took the "dal" out of dalakhani and spliced in another word to make it an insult! Turns out a personal attack takes very little brain power after all!) Jimmer argument:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6257636

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

A column by Rick Reilly bolstering dumb-akhani's (HA! Get it, I took the "dal" out of dalakhani and spliced in another word to make it an insult! Turns out a personal attack takes very little brain power after all!) Jimmer argument:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6257636

This probably puts Jimmer on the all-rookie team.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This probably puts Jimmer on the all-rookie team.

All rookie? He is first team all nba next year based on Reilly's opinion. Now all i need is a certain someone to come on here and extoll his virtues and that will level things out.

Wait...didn't someone pick BYU to win it all?

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Derek Rose and Russell Westbrook are so incredibly athletic that defenders have to give them five feet or risk being blown by. Shooting ability isn't speed or athleticism. You can become a better shooter but at 22, you aren't going to get any quicker. Rose's improvement in shooting ability has surprised me...no doubt. I didn't expect him to get this good and certainly not this fast. But he is a completely different realm of athlete.

I have watch fredette play since he was a freshman coming off the bench when Ainge's son was at BYU. It was one of the seasons that Bzdelik was coaching at Air Force and that program was actually relevant...to the MWC at least. Fredette was the spark off the bench. Now how many of those games did you watch Chuck?

As far as the Delonte thing, I totally forgot that him and Nelson were backcourt mates at St Joes! Now, was that a concidence or a freudian slip when you compared Fredette to Jameer Nelson? There are much better comparisons than Jameer Nelson. Wouldn't Alford be a much better comparison? Or even Fred Hoiberg? Or Chris Jackson? Chris Jackson could be a great comparison although not nearly as athletic (and no tourrette's).

The margin for success in the NBA is slim and it gets slimmer the smaller the player is. Fredette doesn't look slow because as you and slowdirt pointed out, he plays against mid majors. He looked pretty slow against Florida. He even looked pretty slow against Wofford. Can you imagine how slow he would have looked against Uconn or Duke????

Somehow I am guessing he wont be drawing double teams or face zones entirely designed to counter him at the next level like FL threw at him.

And I am supposed to believe you have been monitoring the BYU program for years?

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Mahmoud Abdul Rauf had a decent enough NBA career (nine seasons in the league), though I don't think touretts had anything to do with it. Hey, let's insult dt.com posters and people with disabilities all in one swoop!

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P.S. - Chris Jackson was 1,893 times the college player Jimmer was. Just saying.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Mahmoud Abdul Rauf had a decent enough NBA career (nine seasons in the league), though I don't think touretts had anything to do with it. Hey, let's insult dt.com posters and people with disabilities all in one swoop!

How did I insult anyone with Tourette's? I merely stated a fact. Chris Jackson has tourette's and Jimmer Fredette doesn't.

Lighten up. Jeez. I was just messin with you.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How did I insult anyone with Tourette's? I merely stated a fact. Chris Jackson has tourette's and Jimmer Fredette doesn't.

Lighten up. Jeez. I was just messin with you.

How was Chris Jackson's tourette's relevant to the conversation? It was in poor taste at best.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

How was Chris Jackson's tourette's relevant to the conversation? It was in poor taste at best.

Well I don't see you saying anything about the comments on him being mormon or white. Do you simply feign outrage when it comes to Tourette's syndrome?

Chris Jackson is memorable to me for a few things:

1. Tourette's syndrome
2. Turning his back on the national anthem
3. Having a sensational few years at LSU

I have never been aware of another prominent athlete having tourette's just like i have never seen a 6' 2" white shooting guard after 1980.

I didn't know that there were taste police in Detroit of all places. I will make sure I am extra sensitive to people with Tourette's slowdirt.