Weekend Beyers

[Dahoss]

Could someone please explain the Jaycito hype to me? I really don't get it and I have tried to. Where is his good race? Is it all based on his non threatening run in the Juvenile? Maybe Baffert? I was sure after his performance on Saturday that the talk would subside, but he's still being talked about.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Could someone please explain the Jaycito hype to me? I really don't get it and I have tried to. Where is his good race? Is it all based on his non threatening run in the Juvenile? Maybe Baffert? I was sure after his performance on Saturday that the talk would subside, but he's still being talked about.

It is one of the greater horse racing mysteries to me, ever.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Could someone please explain the Jaycito hype to me? I really don't get it and I have tried to. Where is his good race? Is it all based on his non threatening run in the Juvenile? Maybe Baffert? I was sure after his performance on Saturday that the talk would subside, but he's still being talked about.

Couldn't agree with you more...I haven't seen one thing from this horse that leads me to belive he can win the derby.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Could someone please explain the Jaycito hype to me? I really don't get it and I have tried to. Where is his good race? Is it all based on his non threatening run in the Juvenile? Maybe Baffert? I was sure after his performance on Saturday that the talk would subside, but he's still being talked about.

The funny thing about it all too is that people are being a little bit more critical of Premier Pegasus because he "got a huge setup." Everyone needs to re-watch that race and see where PP and Jaycito are respectively with just over a half-mile to go. Premier Pegasus absolutely blew Jaycito's doors off.

Yes, the pace setup was hot, but this wasn't some staggerfest late where Premier Pegasus clunked up to win. He made a legitimate 3 furlong bid that, yes was setup by a fast pace, but was also a very strong move.

Unless you are REALLY forgiving and feel that Jaycito needed a race off the bench there's absolutely no reason why you'd take him over Premier Pegasus right now. PP made the first run into the collapsing pace and Jaycito still did nothing more than plod along for a well-beaten 2nd.

[tjfla]

THe thing people fall to talk about is that the race was 1 1/16, if the race was 1 1/8 Comma to the Top would have been like 7th or 8th.

He has no chance in the Derby

Jaycito on the other hand did not look great but raced decent. The distance will help him and don't forget he came off a layoff. I am just happy he did not blow any turns this time LOL

[Port Conway Lane]

Anyone who watches HRTV regularly knows Jeff Siegel touted this horse heavily in the week leading up to the race, based solely on what he was told by Baffert.

It was funny watching Baffert being interviewed the day of the race playing down the inevitable KOD.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

Anyone who watches HRTV regularly knows Jeff Siegel touted this horse heavily in the week leading up to the race, based solely on what he was told by Baffert.

It was funny watching Baffert being interviewed the day of the race playing down the inevitable KOD.

It might have had something to do with his partner Andy Harrington also. His workout reports on Jaycito were very strong.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The funny thing about it all too is that people are being a little bit more critical of Premier Pegasus because he "got a huge setup." Everyone needs to re-watch that race and see where PP and Jaycito are respectively with just over a half-mile to go. Premier Pegasus absolutely blew Jaycito's doors off.

Yes, the pace setup was hot, but this wasn't some staggerfest late where Premier Pegasus clunked up to win. He made a legitimate 3 furlong bid that, yes was setup by a fast pace, but was also a very strong move.

Unless you are REALLY forgiving and feel that Jaycito needed a race off the bench there's absolutely no reason why you'd take him over Premier Pegasus right now. PP made the first run into the collapsing pace and Jaycito still did nothing more than plod along for a well-beaten 2nd.

Yeah man, I really don't know what people see when they watch a race sometimes. PP ran out of his skin, and Jaycito, well, he was Jaycito.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah man, I really don't know what people see when they watch a race sometimes. PP ran out of his skin, and Jaycito, well, he was Jaycito.

i'm thinking the same thing....pace, set-ups or whatever the winner won by lightyears...people are talking like that race was close....it was not even. face it, that was the performance of the weekend by far for 3 yo's...and thats not even close either. what race are these people watching?????????????? yeah....jaycito and comma to the top ran great......getting their teeth kicked in......

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i'm thinking the same thing....pace, set-ups or whatever the winner won by lightyears...people are talking like that race was close....it was not even. face it, that was the performance of the weekend by far for 3 yo's...and thats not even close either. what race are these people watching?????????????? yeah....jaycito and comma to the top ran great......getting their teeth kicked in......

Dude, Comma to the Top ran a tons better race than Jaycito. You cannot compare those two fairly.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Dude, Comma to the Top ran a tons better race than Jaycito. You cannot compare those two fairly.

i know, but i'm just saying the winner was tons last week. people just won't admit he ran a hole in the wind....he looked better than uncle mo did so now people will down grade this horse. put it this way, IF that horse stretches out yet again in the SA derby.....look out. comma to the top ran his eyballs out but at this point that proves nothing...other that hes in trouble. if a horse can't relax at some point. good luck moving forward. the easy leads get harder and harder to come by. then i read on some other site that the horse(premier pegusus) has to run a lot better to be a serious contender....i had to laugh...better than what? brethren? to honor and serve? jaycito ? who he just ate for lunch? pace set up? doesn't the derby go 23 or under every year? or does it go 26 like the rat race uncle mo was in? like i said what races do these people watch?

[NTamm1215]

It cannot be preached enough, and this thread illustrates it perfectly, that if you're analyzing performances and not taking into consideration how the race is run then in the long run you're going to have very little success betting on thoroughbred racing.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i know, but i'm just saying the winner was tons last week. people just won't admit he ran a hole in the wind....he looked better than uncle mo did so now people will down grade this horse. put it this way, IF that horse stretches out yet again in the SA derby.....look out. comma to the top ran his eyballs out but at this point that proves nothing...other that hes in trouble. if a horse can't relax at some point. good luck moving forward. the easy leads get harder and harder to come by. then i read on some other site that the horse(premier pegusus) has to run a lot better to be a serious contender....i had to laugh...better than what? brethren? to honor and serve? jaycito ? who he just ate for lunch? pace set up? doesn't the derby go 23 or under every year? or does it go 26 like the rat race uncle mo was in? like i said what races do these people watch?

I'll agree with you that PP ran lights out, and that he's the most obvious threat to Uncle Mo, but watching Mo, I came away from watching that race with a slightly different take than others. Yeah, he got a real soft field and pace, but, considering how the race was ran, he looked awesome and is still the horse to beat.

That race kind of reminded me of when FuPeg toyed with The Deputy at SA.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i know, but i'm just saying the winner was tons last week. people just won't admit he ran a hole in the wind....he looked better than uncle mo did so now people will down grade this horse. put it this way, IF that horse stretches out yet again in the SA derby.....look out. comma to the top ran his eyballs out but at this point that proves nothing...other that hes in trouble. if a horse can't relax at some point. good luck moving forward. the easy leads get harder and harder to come by. then i read on some other site that the horse(premier pegusus) has to run a lot better to be a serious contender....i had to laugh...better than what? brethren? to honor and serve? jaycito ? who he just ate for lunch? pace set up? doesn't the derby go 23 or under every year? or does it go 26 like the rat race uncle mo was in? like i said what races do these people watch?

I dare you to have an opinion pre race. You're always so smart after the fact, but you're never around before races. Why is that?

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Could someone please explain the Jaycito hype to me? I really don't get it and I have tried to. Where is his good race? Is it all based on his non threatening run in the Juvenile? Maybe Baffert? I was sure after his performance on Saturday that the talk would subside, but he's still being talked about.

I thought his Norfolk was a pretty impressive effort. I have never seen a horse win a two turn race (non bull ring of course) being at least 4 wide the entire way around, except maybe Big Brown's Derby, and i don't think he was quite as wide for as long. Still impressive in its own right. How many lengths better than JP's Gusto in that race?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

I thought his Norfolk was a pretty impressive effort. I have never seen a horse win a two turn race (non bull ring of course) being at least 4 wide the entire way around, except maybe Big Brown's Derby, and i don't think he was quite as wide for as long. Still impressive in its own right. How many lengths better than JP's Gusto in that race?

How many lengths better than JP's Gusto?

Who cares??

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

I thought his Norfolk was a pretty impressive effort. I have never seen a horse win a two turn race (non bull ring of course) being at least 4 wide the entire way around, except maybe Big Brown's Derby, and i don't think he was quite as wide for as long. Still impressive in its own right. How many lengths better than JP's Gusto in that race?

Have you watched a race in California in the last 3 years? It happens daily on synth.

[hockey2315]

I'd like to go on record that I think Jaycito sucks. . . I said earlier in the thread that I thought he could suck up for a piece. By a piece, I meant fourth. Only because he'll be at the back early being his stupid self.

[RockHardTen1985]

I dont understand why Jaycito sucks, but a horse like Pluck needed a race??? Same exact layoff.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I dont understand why Jaycito sucks, but a horse like Pluck needed a race??? Same exact layoff.

Did Baffert say (before the race) that he needed one? From what I've seen (i.e., his comebacker the Sunday before,) his horses don't usually need a race. This horse has a lil choppy stride, and is eggbeatin' with his left front. The most positive thing about the horse is that his 2 trainers have really liked him, and his pa could run 12f. Don't like eggbeaters going past 9f, but we will see.