Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Stakes Archive
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-13-2011, 10:33 AM
freddymo freddymo is offline
Belmont Park
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 7,091
Default

So To Honor and Serves comeback was way faster then Stay Thirsty and Uncle Mo. Here is a prefect example why BSF are only a tool and why Beyer created them to be ONLY as much. They all can go forward and isn't that what we all want? Plus we have a razor sharp Soldat and a few decent contenders out west, it's shaping up to be a good spring. Now the fun begins.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-13-2011, 12:43 PM
hockey2315 hockey2315 is offline
Del Mar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 5,403
Default

Moss Race Shape for the San Felipe: 98 (+26) 98 (+17) 94 (+7) 91

He's a nice horse and his consistency might prove a huge asset, but let's all get a grip about his performance. It was an illusion.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-13-2011, 12:57 PM
The Indomitable DrugS's Avatar
The Indomitable DrugS The Indomitable DrugS is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,007
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hockey2315 View Post
Moss Race Shape for the San Felipe: 98 (+26) 98 (+17) 94 (+7) 91

He's a nice horse and his consistency might prove a huge asset, but let's all get a grip about his performance. It was an illusion.
Are you referring to Jaycito?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-13-2011, 01:06 PM
hockey2315 hockey2315 is offline
Del Mar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 5,403
Default

Mostly Premier Pegasus. . . he was far enough out of it early that I think it was still a very advantageous trip for him. I'm not saying he's not ok, but some of the excitement on here and other places got out of hand. Jaycito and the third horse obviously got a ton of help, but Jaycito does seem like the type who can suck up for a piece in the derby.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-13-2011, 01:12 PM
The Indomitable DrugS's Avatar
The Indomitable DrugS The Indomitable DrugS is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,007
Default

PP was miles the best of the top 3 finishers.

Comma to the Top was an awesome 4th IMO. He would have murdered the Tampa Derby field on the basis of that performance.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-13-2011, 01:14 PM
hockey2315 hockey2315 is offline
Del Mar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 5,403
Default

I agree on Comma to the Top - I was shocked he ran on a bit.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-13-2011, 01:48 PM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 43,850
Default

When tj asked yesterday 'who was 4th' and I went back to the screen and saw it was him, I was stunned. Having seen Runflatout and Albergatti straggle home, I had figured he was probably 8th ahead of them.
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-14-2011, 10:02 AM
NoLuvForPletch NoLuvForPletch is offline
Hollywood Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 971
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hockey2315 View Post
I agree on Comma to the Top - I was shocked he ran on a bit.

I've kind of liked CTTT a bit as well. I was shocked he was still there late too, but might that be more of an indication that Jaycito just isn't that good?
__________________
"I don't need nice horses at Philly, just ones with conditions."---Cannon Shell

Last edited by NoLuvForPletch : 03-14-2011 at 10:19 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-14-2011, 02:03 PM
The Indomitable DrugS's Avatar
The Indomitable DrugS The Indomitable DrugS is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,007
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hockey2315 View Post
Moss Race Shape for the San Felipe: 98 (+26) 98 (+17) 94 (+7) 91
Do you have the Moss race shape for the Tampa Derby or Uncle Mo's race?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-14-2011, 05:11 PM
hockey2315 hockey2315 is offline
Del Mar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 5,403
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS View Post
Do you have the Moss race shape for the Tampa Derby or Uncle Mo's race?
Tampa Bay Derby: 73 (+1) 75 (-4) 82 (-1) 86

Uncle Mo: 51 (-26) 59 (-24) 71 (-15) 89 WOW
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-14-2011, 05:45 PM
The Indomitable DrugS's Avatar
The Indomitable DrugS The Indomitable DrugS is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,007
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hockey2315 View Post

San Felipe: 98 (+26) 98 (+17) 94 (+7) 91

Tampa Bay Derby: 73 (+1) 75 (-4) 82 (-1) 86

Uncle Mo: 51 (-26) 59 (-24) 71 (-15) 89 WOW

Ok - so Uncle Mo ran a 71 Moss for 6fs - that translates to running a 41 Beyer.

Comma to the Top (I believe the San Felipe leader after 6fs) ran a 94 Moss after 6fs - which translates to a 104 Beyer.

Bretheran (if memory serves) was the 6f leader in the Tampa Bay Derby. He ran a Moss of 82 - which means he ran a 71 Beyer for 6fs.

In other words - had Uncle Mo run in the San Felipe - he would have trailed Comma to the Top by 25.5 lengths with just 2.5 furlongs to go.


You can't say enough good things about Comma to the Tops performance - and enough bad things about the ride he got. Not many horses can run a 104 Beyer for 6f - after going 3-to-4 wide on the first turn. His late fade should be understandable to anyone.

Just like with humans - horses run to the best of their ability when they are allowed to run at an efficent rate of speed from start to finish.

An olympic quality miler won't post his best time by jogging 3 laps and sprinting the final one - nor will they post their best time by sprinting like Ussain Bolt from the start of the 1st lap.

Premier Pegasus chased The Factor in the San Vincente through cooking fast fractions - and he faded late. He simply used his speed more efficently on the stretch-out. The pace might have been too fast for everyone else. A plodder like Jaycito should have been much further back than he was.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-14-2011, 06:00 PM
tjfla tjfla is offline
Aqueduct
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 649
Default

Comma to the Top ran big after sticking with them however if that race was any longer,he would have been in major trouble. No way he can run like that in a 1 1/8 mile race let the Derby.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 03-14-2011, 06:11 PM
The Indomitable DrugS's Avatar
The Indomitable DrugS The Indomitable DrugS is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,007
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tjfla View Post
Comma to the Top ran big after sticking with them however if that race was any longer,he would have been in major trouble. No way he can run like that in a 1 1/8 mile race let the Derby.
Spoken like someone who losses a lot more than takeout.

Comma to the Top would obliterate a lot of horses in that field at 9fs or futher. He's a horse that can be rated - and when rated - would use his speed a lot more efficently.

Everything in that race - including the winner - was stopping late. Comma to the Top was only stopping at a more severe rate because he actually did some real running.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03-13-2011, 12:56 PM
The Indomitable DrugS's Avatar
The Indomitable DrugS The Indomitable DrugS is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,007
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddymo View Post
So To Honor and Serves comeback was way faster then Stay Thirsty and Uncle Mo.
To Honor and Serve got an 85 - Stay Thirsty and Uncle Mo an 89.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:49 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.