What are your thoughts on Uncle Mo's Returning Race?

[DaTruth]

Why didn't the other jockeys try to push Uncle Mo early. Did they really think they could take back, sit in second or third, and run him down late.

[randallscott35]

B+

[KirisClown]

There's absolutely nothing you can tell from the Faux Stakes..

Gulfstream paid him 50K to have a 1 mile workout on their race card, that pretty much sums everything up.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Why didn't the other jockeys try to push Uncle Mo early. Did they really think they could take back, sit in second or third, and run him down late.

I thought the race was a fukking joke, the horse bobbles at the start and nobody knew what to do because there were strict instructions given by officials that Uncle Mo gets it his own way or else face consequences. 26 opening quarter, the race was a farce if you can even call it a race

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by kgar311

the horse bobbles at the start and nobody knew what to do because there were strict instructions given by officials that Uncle Mo gets it his own way or else face consequences

That's pretty absurd.

The obvious reason why no one wanted to challenge Uncle Mo in the early stages is because - by doing so - your chances of finishing 2nd diminsh greatly.

The whole purpose of allowing the farce of a race to go - was so that Gulfstream can stick it up Tampa Bay Downs ass. Through manuvering - Gulfstream created worthless races for both Dialed In and Uncle Mo to prevent them from running in the Tampa Derby. The result - some 16K claimer last out - comes within a neck of winning the Tampa Derby.

You really think Gulfstream cares that Uncle Mo won? Why? They wanted to pay out a minus show pool? They wanted to make 'The Timely Writer' an important prep race in the years to come?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That's pretty absurd.

The obvious reason why no one wanted to challenge Uncle Mo in the early stages is because - by doing so - your chances of finishing 2nd diminsh greatly.

The whole purpose of allowing the farce of a race to go - was so that Gulfstream can stick it up Tampa Bay Downs ass. Through manuvering - Gulfstream created worthless races for both Dialed In and Uncle Mo to prevent them from running in the Tampa Derby. The result - some 16K claimer last out - comes within a neck of winning the Tampa Derby.

You really think Gulfstream cares that Uncle Mo won? Why? They wanted to pay out a minus show pool? They wanted to make 'The Timely Writer' an important prep race in the years to come?

I dont think its absurd. It was a prerequisite set by Pletcher for his horse to stay in S Fla, my horse has it his own way for 3/4s ie: he walks, then they can take a run at him after the race is all but over.

[Dahoss]

So if someone beat Uncle Mo today, what were the consequences?

Water torture?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by kgar311

I dont think its absurd. It was a prerequisite set by Pletcher for his horse to stay in S Fla, my horse has it his own way for 3/4s ie: he walks, then they can take a run at him after the race is all but over.

Uh huh.

If Pletcher can control how other trainers are to instruct their riders and other riders are to ride their opposing mounts ... why did he not order the post positions re-drawn after Uncle Mo drew the rail?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Uh huh.

If Pletcher can control how other trainers are to instruct their riders and other riders are to ride their opposing mounts ... why did he not order the post positions re-drawn after Uncle Mo drew the rail?

The draw is public and cant be and Pletcher cant control how other trainers instruct their riders but he can say something to track officials and they can influence trainers and jockeys. Try by denying stable applications, not letting jockeys ride there, writing horses out of races etc etc. Theres plenty of things tracks can do to influence races

[Dahoss]

Make it stop.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by kgar311

The draw is public and cant be and Pletcher cant control how other trainers instruct their riders but he can say something to track officials and they can influence trainers and jockeys. Try by denying stable applications, not letting jockeys ride there, writing horses out of races etc etc. Theres plenty of things tracks can do to influence races

This is insane, Uncle Mo simply towered over the field, other trainers were running for minor shares and they approached the race thusly, challenging him early was seen as suicidal. Did anyone really expect this to be a tough race for Uncle Mo?

[HaloWishingwell]

I put in 50 cents on the nice horseys to watch them go up and down. That Uncle Mo is a meany

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If Pletcher can control how other trainers are to instruct their riders and other riders are to ride their opposing mounts ... why did he not order the post positions re-drawn after Uncle Mo drew the rail?

If I recall correctly, Derek Ryan believes in this theory.

[NTamm1215]

Instead of trying to convince trainers how to have their horses run in the Timely Writer the management at GP probably offered to muck their stalls just for getting four horses to line up against Uncle Mo.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That's pretty absurd.

The obvious reason why no one wanted to challenge Uncle Mo in the early stages is because - by doing so - your chances of finishing 2nd diminsh greatly.

The whole purpose of allowing the farce of a race to go - was so that Gulfstream can stick it up Tampa Bay Downs ass. Through manuvering - Gulfstream created worthless races for both Dialed In and Uncle Mo to prevent them from running in the Tampa Derby. The result - some 16K claimer last out - comes within a neck of winning the Tampa Derby.

You really think Gulfstream cares that Uncle Mo won? Why? They wanted to pay out a minus show pool? They wanted to make 'The Timely Writer' an important prep race in the years to come?

Another question is, what does Pletcher and GP say to the owners of this horse. Hey we are going to cost you over a 100gs in cash so we can stick it to TB Downs and in the process we are going to let some cheap stand ins run your horse down in the process??

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Another question is, what does Pletcher and GP say to the owners of this horse. Hey we are going to cost you over a 100gs in cash so we can stick it to TB Downs and in the process we are going to let some cheap stand ins run your horse down in the process??

I can't believe you're actually serious. I thought this was all a joke.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Another question is, what does Pletcher and GP say to the owners of this horse. Hey we are going to cost you over a 100gs in cash so we can stick it to TB Downs and in the process we are going to let some cheap stand ins run your horse down in the process??

Huh?

Pletcher's motives for wanting the race and Gulfstream Park's motives for writing the race are not the same.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by kgar311

I thought the race was a fukking joke, the horse bobbles at the start and nobody knew what to do because there were strict instructions given by officials that Uncle Mo gets it his own way or else face consequences. 26 opening quarter, the race was a farce if you can even call it a race

yup, one of these horses at the harness track would of been more challanging. one of my friends at simulcast thought the other horses were waiting for him after he missed the break....gulfstreams version of the WWE....plus, thats going to help him when someone dishes out a 46 half in a real race.......

[Thunder Gulch]

I really don't know what anyone expected yesterday. The race went just like it was supposed to. The fact that the slugs wouldn't press early doesn't change the fact that they were outclassed. And I don't understand why anyone was even looking to be overly impressed. It was what we thought it was- a paid workout designed to get a little racing under his belt and set him up for a legit prep in a month.

[Danzig]

it wasn't a race, but a workout. not sure how it moved him forward at all to may. can't help wondering if overconfidence will be their undoing.
the plan with this horse illustrates perfectly why graded earnings at 2 should be removed from derby starter consideration.