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Originally Posted by oracle80

Oh thats rubbish and nonsense. Mandella, Pletcher,Frankel, etc have never won teh Derby and are great.
The Derby is one race, not the whole year or a career. Thats just nonsense.

agreed you not only have to have the horse but a tremendous amount of racing luck to win the derby

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

agreed you not only have to have the horse but a tremendous amount of racing luck to win the derby

I guess Baffert, Lukas and Zito got lucky a few times. Some guys just are better at preparing for the big ones (can't get away with certain things in those big ones either).

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

I guess Baffert, Lukas and Zito got lucky a few times. Some guys just are better at preparing for the big ones (can't get away with certain things in those big ones either).

I think that some guys aim for it and some don't. Whittingham never did, and had he not won one is his 80's are you telling me he wouldnt have gone down as a great? Get real will you.
And if your criteria is that winning a derby makes you great, then I guess you would place Cam Gambolati ahead of Frankel, pletcher and Mandella. Is thsi not so? After all, according to you he must be better at preparing for the "Big One"!!! Pletcher, Frankel, and Mandella have won over 100 grade ones betweem them I would say that outweighs winning one derby. What a joke.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I think that some guys aim for it and some don't. Whittingham never did, and had he not won one is his 80's are you telling me he wouldnt have gone down as a great? Get real will you.
And if your criteria is that winning a derby makes you great, then I guess you would place Cam Gambolati ahead of Frankel, pletcher and Mandella. Is thsi not so? After all, according to you he must be better at preparing for the "Big One"!!! Pletcher, Frankel, and Mandella have won over 100 grade ones betweem them I would say that outweighs winning one derby. What a joke.

But he did win his derby and that moment put him in the elite of the elite. In fact that race is what he is known for this day. Also, winning a derby doesn't make you great. You can win a derby and not be great, but without one you can't reach the level of immortality that it gives to the winners. Baffert, Zito, Lukas all are a rung above the others because of their derbys. There isn't an honest trainer that would tell you otherwise.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

But he did win his derby and that moment put him in the elite of the elite. In fact that race is what he is known for this day. Also, winning a derby doesn't make you great. You can win a derby and not be great, but without one you can't reach the level of immortality that it gives to the winners. Baffert, Zito, Lukas all are a rung above the others because of their derbys. There isn't an honest trainer that would tell you otherwise.

Ok so you just said that Cam Gambolati is among the elite of the elite? And you want me to ever take one thing you ever say again seriously? You have to be kidding me.
Go find one more lunatic alive who thinks hes above Frankel, mandella and Pletcher in terms of greatness. WOW!!! Now I have heard everything!!!!

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ok so you just said that Cam Gambolati is among the elite of the elite? And you want me to ever take one thing you ever say again seriously? You have to be kidding me.
Go find one more lunatic alive who thinks hes above Frankel, mandella and Pletcher in terms of greatness. WOW!!! Now I have heard everything!!!!

Cam isn't the elite of the elite. He is just a good trainer that won a derby. Baffert, Lukas, Zito are elite of elites. You have to be a great trainer that wins the derby. Sorry if you don't like it, but the sport revolves around the derby. Frankel is great, but Frankel with a derby puts him with the immortals. Just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Cam isn't the elite of the elite. He is just a good trainer that won a derby. Baffert, Lukas, Zito are elite of elites. You have to be a great trainer that wins the derby. Sorry if you don't like it, but the sport revolves around the derby. Frankel is great, but Frankel with a derby puts him with the immortals. Just the way it is.

Maybe to you. But you arent the standard for deciding greatness. Its more of a people involved within and industry that decides that.
So lets have a poll shall we?
I say that the majority of people in the game deem Pletcher, Frankel, and Mandella as greats. What say you everyone?

Besides that, you must be an older guy. This game has changed and does not revolve around teh Derby. It revolves around the Breeders Cup. It is taht day that decides champions!!