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[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I agree with you Larhage. I'm shaking my head thinking about it because I can't figure out how it would be better for concussion, yet worse for soft tissue. I've never had any problem with any one of my horses over the stuff. I can't think of a logical explanation. Although Cunningham Racing is extremely knowledgeable, so I'll give him a chance to explain himself. There is probably something that I am missing...

It's kind of like swimming in a way...

Swimming is very good for people (and animals) that have had an impactual injury, but the water resistance is tougher on soft tissue. I really don't know how to put it into words, but I disagree with your thought on it...

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It's kind of like swimming in a way...

Swimming is very good for people (and animals) that have had an impactual injury, but the water resistance is tougher on soft tissue. I really don't know how to put it into words, but I disagree with your thought on it...

Well, I am basing it on my experience and don't see how in the world you could correlate training over polytrack to a swimming pool. If anything, synthetic surfaces create less resistance than dirt surfaces because of the boyancy factor. It creates less resistance to my animals anyway. Horses bounce over it, which is why so many TBs who are talented on the dirt have problems running over it.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Well, I am basing it on my experience and don't see how in the world you could correlate training over polytrack to a swimming pool. If anything, synthetic surfaces create less resistance than dirt surfaces because of the boyancy factor. Horses bounce over it, which is why so many TBs who are talented on the dirt have problems running over it.

And because it's so buoyant, they don't hit the ground as hard, correct? What do you think happens to horses who are USED to hitting the ground hard? They will still use JUST AS MUCH effort to pick their feet up and because of that, it causes more soft injury injuries. I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Cunningham on this one.

Here's the definition for buoyant (in case you were wondering why I compared the surface to swimming):

buoyant
–adjective

1. tending to float in a fluid.
2. capable of keeping a body afloat, as a liquid.
3. not easily depressed; cheerful.
4. cheering or invigorating.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

And because it's so buoyant, they don't hit the ground as hard, correct? What do you think happens to horses who are USED to hitting the ground hard? They will still use JUST AS MUCH effort to pick their feet up and because of that, it causes more soft injury injuries. I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Cunningham on this one.

Here's the definition for buoyant (in case you were wondering why I compared the surface to swimming):

buoyant
–adjective

1. tending to float in a fluid.
2. capable of keeping a body afloat, as a liquid.
3. not easily depressed; cheerful.
4. cheering or invigorating.

The horses may use just as much effort, but the fact is that they are not hitting the ground nearly as hard because the surface has so much give it it. If that were the case, horses would suffer just as many or more injuries on the dirt surfaces. Concussion injuries often involve soft tissue. I know because I've been there and done that. Therefore, this is not the reason that soft tissue injuries would occur on the synthetic surface. I may agree with Cunningham Racing in the end too, but not for the reasons that you stated because he stated different reasons. In no way can training over polytrack equate to swimming in a swimming pool. Totally different. There is no resistance when training over a synthetic surface.

The main reason he stated as to why the synthetic surface would hurt a horse's soft tissue is the same reason that helps my jumpers over the surface so much. The horses tend to shift more of their weight to their hind end because they have so much bounce, which is why trainers are now seeing more soft tissue problems in the horse's hind ends when training over this surface. I didn't know that trainers were seeing more problems in the hind ends of their race horses while training and racing on the surface. Also, I didn't know until he told me that the horses slip over the surface easily and the surface breaks underneath them. Those are other reasons for the soft tissue injuries in the hind end. Now, Joel's claims make perfect sense...

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

The horses may use just as much effort, but the fact is that they are not hitting the ground nearly as hard because the surface has so much give it it. If that were the case, horses would suffer just as many or more injuries on the dirt surfaces. Concussion injuries often involve soft tissue. I know because I've been there and done that. Therefore, this is not the reason that soft tissue injuries would occur on the synthetic surface. I may agree with Cunningham Racing in the end too, but not for the reasons that you stated because he stated different reasons. In no way can training over polytrack equate to swimming in a swimming pool. Totally different.

The main reason he stated that would hurt a horses soft tissue is the same reason that helps my jumpers over the surface so much. The horses tend to shift more of their weight to their hind end because they have so much bounce, which is why trainers are now seeing more soft tissue problems in the horse's hind ends when training over this surface. Also, I didn't know until he told me that the horse's slip over the surface easily and the surface breaks underneath them. Those are other reasons for the soft tissue injuries in the hind end.

I'm going to agree to disagree with you... it's tough to explain what I'm talking about on a message board in words.

I stand by my original opinion. I think that this surface will have a huge affect on the thoroughbred industry. Only time will tell what KIND of affect it will be, but I'm going to guess that it won't be a good one.

I'm out...

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'm going to agree to disagree with you... it's tough to explain what I'm talking about on a message board in words.

I stand by my original opinion. I think that this surface will have a huge affect on the thoroughbred industry. Only time will tell what KIND of affect it will be, but I'm going to guess that it won't be a good one.

I'm out...

Oh, but I would love for you to try to explain how resistence that causes soft tissue injuries is created from a horse training over a synthetic surface that isn't my explanation, and how a horse training over a synthetic surface is like one swimming in a swimming pool. I would also love for you to explain how I am now 'wrong' in my explanation of how the soft tissue injuries are occurring in the muscles, tendons, and ligaments of a horses hind ends.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Oh, but I would love for you to try to explain how resistence that causes soft tissue injuries is created from a horse training over a synthetic surface that isn't my explanation, and how a horse training over a synthetic surface is like one swimming in a swimming pool. I would also love for you to explain how I am now 'wrong' in my explanation of how the soft tissue injuries are occurring in the muscles, tendons, and ligaments of a horses hind ends.

I don't feel the need to argue with you about this... evidently, you're in "attack" mode and I've learned from previous experience with you to say "Uncle."

By the way, I never said you were "wrong", and if I'm mistaken, please point out where I said that. I said that I DISAGREE, which means I see it in a different light.