Praying for Cash retired

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The bottomline is that horses are still breaking down....all variables of where and how many are yet to be seen - but they are still UNSAFE on the Polytrack as they are on everything that runs. But now, we have screwd with the breed and tradition of our game because of pure specualtion that horses will be healthier on Polytrack. How much healthier? How will we know for sure? What are other risks with soft tissue injuries and the synthetic crap that jockeys and horses are breathing out there on a daily basis?...Will that constant intake of synthetic and unnatural substance affect a mare's long-term ability to be a producer in some way?...Who knows? - NOBODY!

So why take the risks and unknowns with this shiat if Polytrack is still indeed breaking dow horses?

I would say this is a better arguement if we knew for a fact that Praying for Cash trained and raced exclusively on Polytrack, the fact of the matter is he didn't. I don't think it's been determined the Polytrack caused the breakdown, same with Noble Stella, she trained for years on dirt, it is probably a case for both of them that the injuries just came to the surface with time, certainly not immediately upon setting foot on Polytrack.

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I would say this is a better arguement if we knew for a fact that Praying for Cash trained and raced exclusively on Polytrack, the fact of the matter is he didn't. I don't think it's been determined the Polytrack caused the breakdown, same with Noble Stella, she trained for years on dirt, it is probably a case for both of them that the injuries just came to the surface with time, certainly not immediately upon setting foot on Polytrack.

This horse ran on hard tracks at Gulfstream Park and wnet all up and down the eastern sea-board without any problems running his arse off in races like the Haskell at Monmouth - and yet in his first start over the Polytrack he breaks down and is done.......hmmmmmm....safer?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

This horse ran on hard tracks at Gulfstream Park and wnet all up and down the eastern sea-board without any problems running his arse off in races like the Haskell at Monmouth - and yet in his first start over the Polytrack he breaks down and is done.......hmmmmmm....safer?

wasn't it also his first start for his new trainer?

Originally Posted by paisjpq

wasn't it also his first start for his new trainer?

Yeah, and Kelly Breen is twice the horseman that Todd Pletcher is, right?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yeah, and Kelly Breen is twice the horseman that Todd Pletcher is, right?

better or worse...makes no difference...they have different styles of training which can result in different outcomes for their horses...I am not saying TP broke down the horse...because that argument would make about as much sense as your argument that he broke down the first time he ran on poly, as though he wouldn't have on dirt...they are both stupid.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

better or worse...makes no difference...they have different styles of training which can result in different outcomes for their horses...I am not saying TP broke down the horse...because that argument would make about as much sense as your argument that he broke down the first time he ran on poly, as though he wouldn't have on dirt...they are both stupid.

this was my point mike

Originally Posted by paisjpq

wasn't it also his first start for his new trainer?

yeah no way Todd knows what hes doing. That 23 mill hes earned this year is all a fluke.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

This horse ran on hard tracks at Gulfstream Park and wnet all up and down the eastern sea-board without any problems running his arse off in races like the Haskell at Monmouth - and yet in his first start over the Polytrack he breaks down and is done.......hmmmmmm....safer?

This is exactly my point, you don't think racing on those hard tracks can just as easily have caused wear and tear and just became the proverbial straw? If he ran on nothing but Poly than you have a point, the fact is he hardly did at all.

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

This is exactly my point, you don't think racing on those hard tracks can just as easily have caused wear and tear and just became the proverbial straw? If he ran on nothing but Poly than you have a point, the fact is he hardly did at all.

The fact is that he was fine before he ran on Polytrack....now he's retired

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

This is exactly my point, you don't think racing on those hard tracks can just as easily have caused wear and tear and just became the proverbial straw? If he ran on nothing but Poly than you have a point, the fact is he hardly did at all.

Then you disgaree with the trainers and owners Ive spoken to that say soft tissue and rear end problems are defninitely occurring on this stuff.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I would say this is a better arguement if we knew for a fact that Praying for Cash trained and raced exclusively on Polytrack, the fact of the matter is he didn't. I don't think it's been determined the Polytrack caused the breakdown, same with Noble Stella, she trained for years on dirt, it is probably a case for both of them that the injuries just came to the surface with time, certainly not immediately upon setting foot on Polytrack.

could be another example of horses moving from one surface to another, after having gotten used to the first and adjusted to it.

didn't more of arlingtons and del mars breakdowns occur earlier in the meet, not later?? i believe that was the case, and it was felt by many that the change in tracks was the primary culprit.

maybe trainers just need to be a lot more patient when introducing a horse to a new surface.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

could be another example of horses moving from one surface to another, after having gotten used to the first and adjusted to it.

didn't more of arlingtons and del mars breakdowns occur earlier in the meet, not later?? i believe that was the case, and it was felt by many that the change in tracks was the primary culprit.

maybe trainers just need to be a lot more patient when introducing a horse to a new surface.

Both tracks were worked on due to the high percentages of breakdowns. Which maybe the reason for less breakdowns towards the end of the meets, but I don't seem to recall any let up at Del Mar and I really didn't pay much attention to Arlington.

[Danzig]

it let up at arlington later--the only change i recall them making there was the addition of pine shavings. and that after several consultants came and checked out the track and gave it a clean bill of health.

i recall reading several peoples theories that it had to do with the change of surface encountered by the horses...matter of fact, one guy blamed barbaros accident on running at churchill and then returning to fair hill to train up to the race. whether that's true or not, i don't know--i won't even try to debate that one, certainly no way of proving it. but it's certainly a line of reasoning i've seen from more than one person.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

it let up at arlington later--the only change i recall them making there was the addition of pine shavings. and that after several consultants came and checked out the track and gave it a clean bill of health.

i recall reading several peoples theories that it had to do with the change of surface encountered by the horses...matter of fact, one guy blamed barbaros accident on running at churchill and then returning to fair hill to train up to the race. whether that's true or not, i don't know--i won't even try to debate that one, certainly no way of proving it. but it's certainly a line of reasoning i've seen from more than one person.

I could see how one could come about with that reason. I know how I feel running on different surfaces, so I am sure a horse gets use to one and when it's run on a different surface it has to have some kind of affect on it. That's my question about Poly - is it really a good idea to train on it if you plan on shipping to a dirt track to race on?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

I could see how one could come about with that reason. I know how I feel running on different surfaces, so I am sure a horse gets use to one and when it's run on a different surface it has to have some kind of affect on it. That's my question about Poly - is it really a good idea to train on it if you plan on shipping to a dirt track to race on?

well.....dunno.

see, lava man runs well on both. but i think everyone knows what happens when you try to make hard and fast rules--especially when it comes to horse racing.

oh wait. hello. lava man, grandson of slew. maybe slew-lines will like that polycrap garbage.

i would think tho that you would have to do better if you train where you would run. but again, you can't make a rule for everyone. some horses ship well, some adapt well. thing is, lava man again--supposedly he can't ship, but he seems to adapt well to differing surfaces. so why would the problem be in the shipping?

ok
too many thoughts going on now, and it's past my bedtime.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Polytrack was invented by Osama bin Laden. If you install, train, race, or bet on it, you are funding terrorism!

Elvis told me this after he landed his UFO at Area 51 and stopped by my house, in a black helicopter no less, on his way to a super secret Free Masons meeting. He also told me who the international bankers and transnational corporations have set up to win the BC Classic, but I was sworn to secrecy, so don't ask.

This post is hilarious... by the way, how is Elvis doing?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Polytrack was invented by Osama bin Laden. If you install, train, race, or bet on it, you are funding terrorism!

Elvis told me this after he landed his UFO at Area 51 and stopped by my house, in a black helicopter no less, on his way to a super secret Free Masons meeting. He also told me who the international bankers and transnational corporations have set up to win the BC Classic, but I was sworn to secrecy, so don't ask.

was ken delay there too???