Praying for Cash retired

The bottomline is that horses are still breaking down regularly....who cares aboyt image of how and where they break down?...Most are dead soon anyway because most are too cheap to take care of if they have no revenue potential - and thats just the plain truth....

So what we have esentialy done with the implementation of Polytrack is percievably cleaned-up our public opinion by the lack of breakdowns ON THE TRACK, and for that we have to trade the entire way we breed horses and taint the entire tradition of our game?

...thats a trade I bet 90% of horse fans who understand the entire sport would not agree to make - But the deal with the devil is unfortunately in process

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The bottomline is that horses are still breaking down regularly....who cares aboyt image of how and where they break down?...Most are dead soon anyway because most are too cheap to take care of if they have no revenue potential - and thats just the plain truth....

So what we have esentialy done with the implementation of Polytrack is percievably cleaned-up our public opinion by the lack of breakdowns ON THE TRACK, and for that we have to trade the entire way we breed horses and taint the entire tradition of our game?

...thats a trade I bet 90% of horse fans who understand the entire sport would not agree to make - But the deal with the devil is unfortunately in process

The people who own Noble Stella and Praying for Cash certainly care that their horses just suffered career ending injuries and can still be bred rather than dying on the track. Also, every career ending injury to a horse with breeding value does not necessarily mean it would be a career ending injury to horses without breeding value.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The people who own Noble Stella and Praying for Cash certainly care that their horses just suffered career ending injuries and can still be bred rather than dying on the track. Also, every career ending injury to a horse with breeding value does not necessarily mean it would be a career ending injury to horses without breeding value.

So you are saying they WOULD have definately died on a dirt track? ....Can you also tell me what the Pick 6 numbers are going to be today at Keeneland while you're at it?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

So you are saying they WOULD have definately died on a dirt track? ....Can you also tell me what the Pick 6 numbers are going to be today at Keeneland while you're at it?

Um, no, you implied that with:

"So, is Polytrack STILL a better track now just because it hides the grotesque breakdowns on the track from the public unlik dirt?"

I have no clue whether or not the injury would have even occured on dirt. I thought you were making the argument that we are no better off with horses suffering career ending injuries on polytrack than if they broke down grotesquely in front of fans on the dirt which I completely disagree with.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Um, no, you implied that with:

"So, is Polytrack STILL a better track now just because it hides the grotesque breakdowns on the track from the public unlik dirt?"

I have no clue whether or not the injury would have even occured on dirt. I thought you were making the argument that we are no better off with horses suffering career ending injuries on polytrack than if they broke down grotesquely in front of fans on the dirt which I completely disagree with.

The bottomline is that horses are still breaking down....all variables of where and how many are yet to be seen - but they are still UNSAFE on the Polytrack as they are on everything that runs. But now, we have screwd with the breed and tradition of our game because of pure specualtion that horses will be healthier on Polytrack. How much healthier? How will we know for sure? What are other risks with soft tissue injuries and the synthetic crap that jockeys and horses are breathing out there on a daily basis?...Will that constant intake of synthetic and unnatural substance affect a mare's long-term ability to be a producer in some way?...Who knows? - NOBODY!

So why take the risks and unknowns with this shiat if Polytrack is still indeed breaking dow horses?

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The bottomline is that horses are still breaking down....all variables of where and how many are yet to be seen - but they are still UNSAFE on the Polytrack as they are on everything that runs. But now, we have screwd with the breed and tradition of our game because of pure specualtion that horses will be healthier on Polytrack. How much healthier? How will we know for sure? What are other risks with soft tissue injuries and the synthetic crap that jockeys and horses are breathing out there on a daily basis?...Will that constant intake of synthetic and unnatural substance affect a mare's long-term ability to be a producer in some way?...Who knows? - NOBODY!

So why take the risks and unknowns with this shiat if Polytrack is still indeed breaking dow horses?

I would say this is a better arguement if we knew for a fact that Praying for Cash trained and raced exclusively on Polytrack, the fact of the matter is he didn't. I don't think it's been determined the Polytrack caused the breakdown, same with Noble Stella, she trained for years on dirt, it is probably a case for both of them that the injuries just came to the surface with time, certainly not immediately upon setting foot on Polytrack.

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I would say this is a better arguement if we knew for a fact that Praying for Cash trained and raced exclusively on Polytrack, the fact of the matter is he didn't. I don't think it's been determined the Polytrack caused the breakdown, same with Noble Stella, she trained for years on dirt, it is probably a case for both of them that the injuries just came to the surface with time, certainly not immediately upon setting foot on Polytrack.

This horse ran on hard tracks at Gulfstream Park and wnet all up and down the eastern sea-board without any problems running his arse off in races like the Haskell at Monmouth - and yet in his first start over the Polytrack he breaks down and is done.......hmmmmmm....safer?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I would say this is a better arguement if we knew for a fact that Praying for Cash trained and raced exclusively on Polytrack, the fact of the matter is he didn't. I don't think it's been determined the Polytrack caused the breakdown, same with Noble Stella, she trained for years on dirt, it is probably a case for both of them that the injuries just came to the surface with time, certainly not immediately upon setting foot on Polytrack.

could be another example of horses moving from one surface to another, after having gotten used to the first and adjusted to it.

didn't more of arlingtons and del mars breakdowns occur earlier in the meet, not later?? i believe that was the case, and it was felt by many that the change in tracks was the primary culprit.

maybe trainers just need to be a lot more patient when introducing a horse to a new surface.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Polytrack was invented by Osama bin Laden. If you install, train, race, or bet on it, you are funding terrorism!

Elvis told me this after he landed his UFO at Area 51 and stopped by my house, in a black helicopter no less, on his way to a super secret Free Masons meeting. He also told me who the international bankers and transnational corporations have set up to win the BC Classic, but I was sworn to secrecy, so don't ask.

This post is hilarious... by the way, how is Elvis doing?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Polytrack was invented by Osama bin Laden. If you install, train, race, or bet on it, you are funding terrorism!

Elvis told me this after he landed his UFO at Area 51 and stopped by my house, in a black helicopter no less, on his way to a super secret Free Masons meeting. He also told me who the international bankers and transnational corporations have set up to win the BC Classic, but I was sworn to secrecy, so don't ask.

was ken delay there too???

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The people who own Noble Stella and Praying for Cash certainly care that their horses just suffered career ending injuries and can still be bred rather than dying on the track. Also, every career ending injury to a horse with breeding value does not necessarily mean it would be a career ending injury to horses without breeding value.

yeah, you are right, ones with no vlaue will be put down anyway.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The bottomline is that horses are still breaking down regularly....who cares aboyt image of how and where they break down?...Most are dead soon anyway because most are too cheap to take care of if they have no revenue potential - and thats just the plain truth....

So what we have esentialy done with the implementation of Polytrack is percievably cleaned-up our public opinion by the lack of breakdowns ON THE TRACK, and for that we have to trade the entire way we breed horses and taint the entire tradition of our game?

...thats a trade I bet 90% of horse fans who understand the entire sport would not agree to make - But the deal with the devil is unfortunately in process

who cares about public perception? do you know anything about marketing joel...I'm certain that you do since you are an authority on every other aspect of horse racing...do you not think that those who market the game and attempt on a daily basis to bring in new fans care about the way catstrophic breakdowns are portayed in the media? Whatever the end result with cheap claimers you have got to have your head up your @ss if you don't think the front office cares about the difference between what happened to this horse (who sustained a survivable injury) and say, what happened to Go for Wand.
And without the influx of new fans and bettors (who will adapt to the surface) you will eventually have no breeding industry. So ye,s maintaining a favorable public image is paramount to the survival of the sport, and if that means poly track you should get used to it.

[sham]

I would submit to all that there have been an insufficient number of races to draw conclusions about the safty of artificial surfaces. We'll know soon enough.

Originally Posted by paisjpq

who cares about public perception? do you know anything about marketing joel...I'm certain that you do since you are an authority on every other aspect of horse racing...do you not think that those who market the game and attempt on a daily basis to bring in new fans care about the way catstrophic breakdowns are portayed in the media? Whatever the end result with cheap claimers you have got to have your head up your @ss if you don't think the front office cares about the difference between what happened to this horse (who sustained a survivable injury) and say, what happened to Go for Wand.
And without the influx of new fans and bettors (who will adapt to the surface) you will eventually have no breeding industry. So ye,s maintaining a favorable public image is paramount to the survival of the sport, and if that means poly track you should get used to it.

It's funny that you made my point exactly...yes, I have a marketing degree, actually, and I worked in the marketing dept. at Churchill Downs Inc. for a couple of years, and as a marketing guy I would say that making outcomes of races less predictable and more phony, building champions with inferior pedigrees that like to run on rubber, ruining the tradition of our game and the classic bloodlines, and running the core customer away by telling him that all of the handicappingt tools that he acquired over a lifetime ar now all irrelvant and you have to re-learn how to play this game - I would say those are MARKETING NIGHTMARES...

You made my point exactly...the game has traded a public image nightmare on one facet for 10 public image nightmares on other levels...