Bluegrass Cat Retired

[todko]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

everyone knew leroi wasn't at his best last year, anyone who chose to bet him regardless have only themselves to blame.
also, regarding bluegrass, anyone who kept up with the sport in the weeks leading up to the travers knew todd wasn't thrilled with running bluegrass back so quickly after his haskell....anyone could read between the lines.

you're the only one to respond so far that you were skeptical beforehand when you saw the front wraps---my issue is with those who only speak up AFTER, when we should have all 'KNOWN IT ALL ALONG'. easy to say after the fact.
also, like i said above, i've seen horses run with front wraps for the first time and come back to get the trophy and check.

Frank Lyons didn't know it! He said clearly on TVG in an argument with Tom Amoss when Amoss brought up the bar shoes on Leroi that, "no way would Frankel ever race Leroi with bar shoes. No way." And then he proceeded to lecture Tom Amoss on how a bar shoe works. He said something to the effect that Leroi was fine and the bar shoes were precautionary for training and that a horse couldn't get traction on turf with bar shoes (which most of us know).

Amoss realized he was getting no where fast and just encouraged the viewer to look for the bar shoes and pads on race day.

Leroi took a huge amount of money that day. Not everyone knew he wasn't at his best -- if they did why the money bet?

I wrote those scum sucking pimps at NYRA about it and never heard back.

Never heard Frank Lyons apologize on TVG either.

Listen to Amoss when he's on the air. He made a great call on Balance in the KY Oaks that she wouldn't run a lick. She didn't. Amoss said Ermine looked good, he was ridiculed by Frank and the gang. Ermine ran a solid 2nd, well ahead of Balance.

Originally Posted by todko

Frank Lyons didn't know it! He said clearly on TVG in an argument with Tom Amoss when Amoss brought up the bar shoes on Leroi that, "no way would Frankel ever race Leroi with bar shoes. No way." And then he proceeded to lecture Tom Amoss on how a bar shoe works. He said something to the effect that Leroi was fine and the bar shoes were precautionary for training and that a horse couldn't get traction on turf with bar shoes (which most of us know).

Amoss realized he was getting no where fast and just encouraged the viewer to look for the bar shoes and pads on race day.

Leroi took a huge amount of money that day. Not everyone knew he wasn't at his best -- if they did why the money bet?

I wrote those scum sucking pimps at NYRA about it and never heard back.

Never heard Frank Lyons apologize on TVG either.

Listen to Amoss when he's on the air. He made a great call on Balance in the KY Oaks that she wouldn't run a lick. She didn't. Amoss said Ermine looked good, he was ridiculed by Frank and the gang. Ermine ran a solid 2nd, well ahead of Balance.

Empire Maker ran all spring, before the Derby in bar shoes. I remember seeing a great shot of him (on DRF cover) rearing, and lo' and behold dere dem baw shoes was a shinin'.
Medaglia D'Oro had bad feet.
Leroid had 'em.
Megahertz had bad feet. No?
Didn't Sightseek???
I'm starting to see a pattern here....

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by todko

Frank Lyons didn't know it! He said clearly on TVG in an argument with Tom Amoss when Amoss brought up the bar shoes on Leroi that, "no way would Frankel ever race Leroi with bar shoes. No way." And then he proceeded to lecture Tom Amoss on how a bar shoe works. He said something to the effect that Leroi was fine and the bar shoes were precautionary for training and that a horse couldn't get traction on turf with bar shoes (which most of us know).

Amoss realized he was getting no where fast and just encouraged the viewer to look for the bar shoes and pads on race day.

Leroi took a huge amount of money that day. Not everyone knew he wasn't at his best -- if they did why the money bet?

I wrote those scum sucking pimps at NYRA about it and never heard back.

Never heard Frank Lyons apologize on TVG either.

Listen to Amoss when he's on the air. He made a great call on Balance in the KY Oaks that she wouldn't run a lick. She didn't. Amoss said Ermine looked good, he was ridiculed by Frank and the gang. Ermine ran a solid 2nd, well ahead of Balance.

Dang! Old Blue Eyes beat me to EMPIRE MAKER!!!
Back to work!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Dang! Old Blue Eyes beat me to EMPIRE MAKER!!!
Back to work!

i applaud your effort!!!! lol

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by todko

Frank Lyons didn't know it! He said clearly on TVG in an argument with Tom Amoss when Amoss brought up the bar shoes on Leroi that, "no way would Frankel ever race Leroi with bar shoes. No way." And then he proceeded to lecture Tom Amoss on how a bar shoe works. He said something to the effect that Leroi was fine and the bar shoes were precautionary for training and that a horse couldn't get traction on turf with bar shoes (which most of us know).

Amoss realized he was getting no where fast and just encouraged the viewer to look for the bar shoes and pads on race day.

Leroi took a huge amount of money that day. Not everyone knew he wasn't at his best -- if they did why the money bet?

I wrote those scum sucking pimps at NYRA about it and never heard back.

Never heard Frank Lyons apologize on TVG either.

Listen to Amoss when he's on the air. He made a great call on Balance in the KY Oaks that she wouldn't run a lick. She didn't. Amoss said Ermine looked good, he was ridiculed by Frank and the gang. Ermine ran a solid 2nd, well ahead of Balance.

well, i know that those of us posting on the 'other' board were talking about leroi and his status for several days leading up to the race. there was plenty of discussion about him and his feet. no doubt many who bet him either were skeptical about the news that he had poor feet, thought he wasn't that bad, thought he was good enough to win anyway, or maybe just fans who bet frankel, or heard of leroi, or liked the silks (they're so purty)....who knows why people bet the way they do?? i can't explain it. but if i, who isn't 'in the know' and doesn't hang out at the track, and doesn't have any trainers on speed dial, knew that leroi was not 100%, than i would fully expect that the info was available to anyone able to type out 'www.drf dot com' on their computer! the stories were there.
hell, people smoke when they know it's a killer, so why not put a couple down on leroi?!

[todko]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

well, i know that those of us posting on the 'other' board were talking about leroi and his status for several days leading up to the race. there was plenty of discussion about him and his feet. no doubt many who bet him either were skeptical about the news that he had poor feet, thought he wasn't that bad, thought he was good enough to win anyway, or maybe just fans who bet frankel, or heard of leroi, or liked the silks (they're so purty)....who knows why people bet the way they do?? i can't explain it. but if i, who isn't 'in the know' and doesn't hang out at the track, and doesn't have any trainers on speed dial, knew that leroi was not 100%, than i would fully expect that the info was available to anyone able to type out 'www.drf dot com' on their computer! the stories were there.
hell, people smoke when they know it's a killer, so why not put a couple down on leroi?!

Very true. But Frank Lyons was surely a piece of work on Leroi. He lost a lot of TVG clients money that day by insisting that Leroi was sound because "Frankel would never run in bar shoes on the turf". I lost all respect for Frank Lyons on that one (and some others like his diatribe supporting Balance for the '06 Oaks).

NYRA tracks are generally better about shoe information than other circuits. But the horse should have been purse only. Or they should have had a ticker running continuously saying "Leroi injured". Because that was the case.

It's always "bettor beware".

[Danzig]

someone on here said a few weeks back that lyons was in hot water for being in his cups while on the air. maybe that was one of those days!!

[sumitas]

The last page of this thread really point out how pathetic horse racing is and why it gets little respect from the public. Injured horses running constantly that are always presented as sound. It's disgusting. There should be injury reports prior to a race just like football provides info on injured players.