3/5 (SA): Big Cap, Kilroe Mile, SA Oaks (G1's), Clocker's Corner

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That's the spirit!!!

I don't like being Debbie Downer, but the Big Cap has fallen off harder than any race in the past decade.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't like being Debbie Downer, but the Big Cap has fallen off harder than any race in the past decade.

Agreed.

I'd put it more at about 15-20 years since it mattered.

I now call it the Big Crap.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

A lot of things have hurt this race especially...

* Dubai World Cup (first edition '96)

* The breed as a whole becoming more precocious and having a lot less stamina and durability. Few good horses really want to go 10fs unless the pace is a crawl.

* The fall off in Southern California horse racing (In the 90's - racing was unquestionably better on the So. Cal circuit than anywhere else.)

* The addition of synthetic race tracks more recently.

At least the last reason is gone.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

* The fall off in Southern California horse racing (In the 90's - racing was unquestionably better on the So. Cal circuit than anywhere else.)

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Did you really just say that???

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Did you really just say that???

I would agree with it.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I would agree with it.

Yeah, cause it's obvious.

Back in the late 90's, we used to argue that very point ad nauseum.

I wonder what happened in ten years to make him realize he was wrong back then.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, cause it's obvious.

Back in the late 90's, we used to argue that very point ad nauseum.

I wonder what happened in ten years to make him realize he was wrong back then.

Because of shippers - racing was a touch better at Saratoga VS Del Mar and Belmont Fall Championship VS Oak Tree ... this you would never seem to concede.

In terms of which year-round circuit was the best... obviously So. Cal by far. They completely owned the winter.