Beyer in Chilie

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pat

You just are comparing apples and oranges. You know as well as I do that if an American trainer ran a horse bck in 5 days and it didnt win and continue to win than everyone would point their fingers and say "that guy is killing his horses". For what? So people on a message board can say American horses are tough too?

The racing season in France and the UK is effectively over in November and doesnt start back till April. The Winter racing there is the equal to Hawthorne. I wouldn't call Hawthorne the epitome of American racing.

What you are doing is making a nebulous statement that cant really be proven or disproven. If you would base your opinion on some sort of hard evidence or even flimsy evidence perhaps we could discuss the topic with a little more depth. Do you seriously think that American trainers couldn't go to Europe or Australia or where ever and do well? LOL It is ridiculous. Because the style of racing and training vary so much it would take some time to get used to but n the end training is mostly about the ability of your horses and your owners ability to understand that. Regardless of surface, distance or rate of starting.

1 ANDRE FABRE 2 ALAIN DE ROYER DUPRE 3 ROUGET (S) 4 SIR MICHAEL R. STOUTE 5 ELIE LELLOUCHE 6 HEAD 7 Juan Carlos 8 Jaime Ness 9 Steph Beatty 10 Scooter Davis... Projected 2011 Longchamps trainer standings


Chuck his evidence is that a horse that is 7 with 28 career starts and 90k in career earnings race 12 times in 6 weeks in races with 7k purses at C level tracks then came to fantasy land and came in second. If you can get Kicken and Screaming back into training she could pick up a nice check every week in Dubai..

[Cannon Shell]

“Because Flashpoint had some of your basic 2-year-old problems and needed time to smooth things out, the traditional way of getting to the Derby was not an option this year,” Fort said. “Because the traditional way doesn’t work I have to figure out a new punch to knock these guys out with, because that’s the only way I can fight them. I’m not looking just to get to the Derby. I’ve been there three times and have run second. I need to find a way to win, and the best way to do that is with this colt’s fabulous speed.

“He’s extremely fast, he’s extremely sound, and he has a very even temperament, so why not use the ace I’ve been dealt? He has a massive hip and I could run him in the Florida Derby and he might win, but I don’t want to run him two turns and have him get tired and run the race of his life before the Derby. So, let’s try to do it a different way this year and train up to the Derby using his natural speed. It’s not the traditional method, but there are so many horses now who go into the Derby off only two starts at 3, and it’s now become popular to have more time between races. So, who’s to say this can’t be done?

Fort said he hasn’t spoken with trainer Rick Dutrow Jr. yet, but this is the way he is leaning at this point.

Think Andre Fabve has to face things like this?

Read more: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz1FTuWdzGv

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

“Because Flashpoint had some of your basic 2-year-old problems and needed time to smooth things out, the traditional way of getting to the Derby was not an option this year,” Fort said. “Because the traditional way doesn’t work I have to figure out a new punch to knock these guys out with, because that’s the only way I can fight them. I’m not looking just to get to the Derby. I’ve been there three times and have run second. I need to find a way to win, and the best way to do that is with this colt’s fabulous speed.

“He’s extremely fast, he’s extremely sound, and he has a very even temperament, so why not use the ace I’ve been dealt? He has a massive hip and I could run him in the Florida Derby and he might win, but I don’t want to run him two turns and have him get tired and run the race of his life before the Derby. So, let’s try to do it a different way this year and train up to the Derby using his natural speed. It’s not the traditional method, but there are so many horses now who go into the Derby off only two starts at 3, and it’s now become popular to have more time between races. So, who’s to say this can’t be done?

Fort said he hasn’t spoken with trainer Rick Dutrow Jr. yet, but this is the way he is leaning at this point.

Think Andre Fabve has to face things like this?

Read more: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz1FTuWdzGv

No but neither does Bill Mott to be fair. I am not sold on the Frankel/sheets conspiracy theory on why horses race less. Nor do I buy all the horses are with 10 trainers that train the same way story. For whatever reason US based horses aren't racing as often as they used too.

It is so funny guy wins a stakes race and is looking to set up SPECIAL purses if he can get a horse to ship. Flashpoint got a 10x BSF not a 153

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

No but neither does Bill Mott to be fair. I am not sold on the Frankel/sheets conspiracy theory on why horses race less. Nor do I buy all the horses are with 10 trainers that train the same way story. For whatever reason US based horses aren't racing as often as they used too.

It is so funny guy wins a stakes race and is looking to set up SPECIAL purses if he can get a horse to ship. Flashpoint got a 10x BSF not a 153

There is no doubt that Frankel's influence has effected the way top class horses have been campaigned. Pretty much every top trainer now trains using sheet numbers and if the trainer isnt getting the numbers, the owners/racing managers are. The funny thing is most of the owners are still losing money.

No one is saying they train the same way (though for the most part they do) but they al campaign the horses that way. And add in the fact that the tracks have adjusted the schedules as well.

Of course lets remember that the top 10 guys train less than 1% of the horses.

[Cannon Shell]

And dont think Mott operates on an island either. He pretty publicly made it known that running Cigar at Hollywood wasn't his idea but Paulsens.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And dont think Mott operates on an island either. He pretty publicly made it known that running Cigar at Hollywood wasn't his idea but Paulsens.

That was a lot of graded wins ago.

I realize guys use sheets and train off others past success but still something seems wrong when no horses are capable of 25 starts in a year.