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Still, that is almost certainly not the normal type of career for a top caliber g1 horse down there. One instance a trend does not make.
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plus Im sure the lads like Ed can point to more horses that have campaigns like this every year!!
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03-01-2011, 06:55 PM
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Why does anyone think that horses are racing drug free in other countries? Because they don't admit to running on Lasix? LOL. Yeah ok. Many of the "advances" in juice come directly from other countries. Brett Pelling and the "Blue magic" are direct imports from down under.
Here is a link from "drug-free" Australia http://www.theage.com.au/news/Horse-...996492071.html Doesn't sound much different than here Biancone didn't arrive on these shores squeaky clean only to be corrupted by our "drug culture". Does anyone really believe South American racing is drug free? Remember when Japanese trained Deep Impact tested positive in the Arc?http://www.drf.com/news/deep-impact-...tive-after-arc As for using Dubai as an example of Drug free racing remember that there were more races run in the US last weekend than will be run in Dubai all year. The idea that American bloodlines have been "weakened" by medication is laughable but sadly many people will continue to believe such nonsense. Foreign buyers buy far more bloodstock at public auction here than anywhere else. Sadlers Wells- American bred (leading sire in Europe) Danehill- American bred (leading sire in Europe and Australia) More than Ready- American bred (top 3 sire in Australia) Most of the top mares bought at Keeneland that are exported as breding stock are American bred. The two most childish and simplistic (and absolutely wrong) myths about horseracing are the "medication weakens the breed" and "only a commissioner can save the game".
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03-01-2011, 07:00 PM
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03-01-2011, 08:53 PM
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Nowhere else but in North America do trainers regularly cite those needs - and to say that horses cannot perform at top levels, within say three to seven days after a previous top effort is simply ignorant. It happens with absolute regularity most everywhere else in the world at some point in the year. The closest to that happening in the US is the Triple Crown. Would anyone like to offer some suggestions as to what it is that makes our trainers unable to garner the same performance from their horses as trainers on four other continents?
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03-01-2011, 09:06 PM
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I think what the horses are capable of and what the trainer decides to do are two very different things.
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03-02-2011, 09:06 AM
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Do you know that the trend of horses "needing more time" comes from influences outside of the backside right? That the sheets guys with an assist from Bobby Frankel's astronomical success (which the sheets guys kind of took some credit for because he campaigned horses with help of the sheets while at the same time accusing Frankel of cheating which may or may not have been true) The truth is that the top trainers not running their horses as much filters down because people follow what successful people do or at least what they think they do. Not to mention that unlike Europe or Dubai or Hong Kong we race all year long. When there was less winter racing in this country horses raced harder during the racing season because they knew they were going to get down time in the Winter. And the influence of owners has a lot to do with it as well. Since they all flock to the same trainers who train with the more time motto, why is it surprising that other trainers follow suit? And it should be understood that trainers often publicly lie about the condition of their horses for reasons that anyone could understand. It is a lot easier to say the horse needs more time than say he was lame yesterday. And lets revisit the careers of some famous European horses Dancing Brave- 10 starts Zarkava-7 starts Sea the Stars- 9 starts Dalakhani-9 starts Galileo- 8 starts Conduit-8 starts (2 in NA) Shirocco-13 starts over 3 seasons High Chaparral-13 starts over 3 seasons Kalanisi-11 starts Daylami-19 starts over 4 seasons Lets not act like European stakes horses are running more than American stakes horses are.
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Some G1 horses... Cape of Good Hope... 41 starts http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/O...=B243&search=1 Bullish Luck, 54 starts http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/O...=C155&search=1 Scintillation, 45 starts http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/O...=C228&search=1 Viva Pataca, 41 starts http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/h...=G096&search=1 Good Ba Ba, 44 starts http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/h...=E201&search=1 (For the record it's Chile and not Chilie but it does look kinda cute this way). 
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I'll have to ask NTamm if I can use his All the suckers for De Kock line somewhere else.
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03-01-2011, 10:46 PM
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