Knicks Get Melo: Did they give up too much?

freddymo · #1 02-23-2011, 11:14 AM

Noah Rose Boozer vs Amare Mello billups..I would take a shot in a series.. Forget what they gave up, are the Knicks significant better suited for the next 5 years today then they were 3 days ago.. Forget the salary cap because if NY is screwed so is Miami Boston etc.

Cannon Shell · #2 02-23-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Noah Rose Boozer vs Amare Mello billups..I would take a shot in a series.. Forget what they gave up, are the Knicks significant better suited for the next 5 years today then they were 3 days ago.. Forget the salary cap because if NY is screwed so is Miami Boston etc.

Please stop. This is making me feel worse about this.

freddymo · #3 02-23-2011, 11:21 AM

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Please stop. This is making me feel worse about this.

Deron Williams reported to Nets DONE DEAL

freddymo · #4 02-23-2011, 11:23 AM

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Please stop. This is making me feel worse about this.

Gallo has health issues. Chandler is a free agent anyway and hardily the answer, Felton was fine but hardily the long term answer. Whats the big deal the 3 mil? They kept the kid who is likely the best compliment to the two big guys. They need a coach not Gallo and Chandler

Cannon Shell · #5 02-23-2011, 11:43 AM

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Gallo has health issues. Chandler is a free agent anyway and hardily the answer, Felton was fine but hardily the long term answer. Whats the big deal the 3 mil? They kept the kid who is likely the best compliment to the two big guys. They need a coach not Gallo and Chandler

Stoudmire has health issues. Why do you think they weren't able to insure his contract.

The point that everyone (and you) seems to be missing is that when you give up all your chips, regardless of how you regard them, you no longer have any hands to play. The entire salary structure of the NBA makes cheap help that performs above league average (like all of the players except the big guy who obviously has not had enough experience to make an impact) very important in not only making up your rotation but having the ability to add further pieces. The Knicks now have tight cap space, very few draft picks of value, virtually no desirable players and a roster full of holes.

Is Miami in a similar boat? Yes BUT they have LeBron James who not only is a far better player than Carmelo or Amare but someone who makes players around him better. The ability of the Knicks management to be able to come up with the type of players that can fill in the holes under the present circumstances is certainly questionable.

freddymo · #6 02-23-2011, 11:52 AM

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Stoudmire has health issues. Why do you think they weren't able to insure his contract.

The point that everyone (and you) seems to be missing is that when you give up all your chips, regardless of how you regard them, you no longer have any hands to play. The entire salary structure of the NBA makes cheap help that performs above league average (like all of the players except the big guy who obviously has not had enough experience to make an impact) very important in not only making up your rotation but having the ability to add further pieces. The Knicks now have tight cap space, very few draft picks of value, virtually no desirable players and a roster full of holes.

Is Miami in a similar boat? Yes BUT they have LeBron James who not only is a far better player than Carmelo or Amare but someone who makes players around him better. The ability of the Knicks management to be able to come up with the type of players that can fill in the holes under the present circumstances is certainly questionable.

The knicks are way better today then they were days ago. The team was 6/12 in there last 18 and the meat of the schedule is upon them. They know have the best 1-4 they have had in a very long time featuring 2 of the best 10 players in the world. They will get Paul in a few years per Paul and since everybody plays by the same cap rules it is what it is. billup expires in two years so either you can off him and his contract late next year or you just play him til the end. Either way its Billup not some bum like Curry, Billups is way better then Felton.

Cannon Shell · #7 02-23-2011, 12:04 PM

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The knicks are way better today then they were days ago. The team was 6/12 in there last 18 and the meat of the schedule is upon them. They know have the best 1-4 they have had in a very long time featuring 2 of the best 10 players in the world. They will get Paul in a few years per Paul and since everybody plays by the same cap rules it is what it is. billup expires in two years so either you can off him and his contract late next year or you just play him til the end. Either way its Billup not some bum like Curry, Billups is way better then Felton.

You miss the point again. They are not going to be in position to get Paul because they wont have enough money or talent to get him. Obviously the bar has been set and now ALL the top players will want a sign and trade. The Knicks jut dont have the cap space, especially if the cap shrinks in the new agreement, nor do they have anything tangible to pull off a deal for Paul.

The Knicks as currently constructed are not anything more than a 1 round and out team. This fantasy that they will be able to find a good role players for nothing is just that, fantasy.

Plus with al the commotion about player movement the owners may hold out for an NFL style "franchise" tag which will make the Knicks plight even tougher.

Billups is a 35 year old PG who can't guard anyone.

freddymo · #8 02-23-2011, 12:26 PM

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You miss the point again. They are not going to be in position to get Paul because they wont have enough money or talent to get him. Obviously the bar has been set and now ALL the top players will want a sign and trade. The Knicks jut dont have the cap space, especially if the cap shrinks in the new agreement, nor do they have anything tangible to pull off a deal for Paul.

The Knicks as currently constructed are not anything more than a 1 round and out team. This fantasy that they will be able to find a good role players for nothing is just that, fantasy.

Plus with al the commotion about player movement the owners may hold out for an NFL style "franchise" tag which will make the Knicks plight even tougher.

Billups is a 35 year old PG who can't guard anyone.

Who do the knicks guard anyway? Like I said i dont believe in the coach. Billups expires at 15 mil so why wouldnt they have the room to get Paul with Billups up?

#9 02-23-2011, 11:45 AM

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Noah Rose Boozer vs Amare Mello billups..I would take a shot in a series.. Forget what they gave up, are the Knicks significant better suited for the next 5 years today then they were 3 days ago.. Forget the salary cap because if NY is screwed so is Miami Boston etc.

Bulls all day. No way Billups could warm Rose up at this point.

freddymo · #10 02-23-2011, 11:53 AM

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Bulls all day. No way Billups could warm Rose up at this point.

Ok but at least its a series. Rose, Noah, Boozer vs Gallo, Felton and Amare is a kill

#11 02-23-2011, 12:11 PM

If you had to pick any player in the league to be on your team right now who would it be?

I'd pick Rose. I think he's going to be the most accomplished player in the league once Kobe and Duncan retire. If he were 6'6" with the same athleticism he would be by far the best player right now.

Cannon Shell · #12 02-23-2011, 12:16 PM

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If you had to pick any player in the league to be on your team right now who would it be?

I'd pick Rose. I think he's going to be the most accomplished player in the league once Kobe and Duncan retire. If he were 6'6" with the same athleticism he would be by far the best player right now.

I'd still take LeBron. Probably Durant next just because no one else his age comes close to the type of player he is.

#13 02-23-2011, 12:23 PM

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I'd still take LeBron. Probably Durant next just because no one else his age comes close to the type of player he is.

Durant = Rachel Alexandra
LeBron = Perfect Drift

#14 02-23-2011, 12:27 PM

I'll clarify the Durant comparison...

He's already having knee trouble. It's not like he's carrying any weight right now. Don't see Oklahoma City winning and he's the type to re-sign with them.

dalakhani · #15 02-23-2011, 03:53 PM

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If you had to pick any player in the league to be on your team right now who would it be?

I'd pick Rose. I think he's going to be the most accomplished player in the league once Kobe and Duncan retire. If he were 6'6" with the same athleticism he would be by far the best player right now.

I'd take Lebron hands down and then I would probably take Dwight Howard.

#16 02-23-2011, 04:01 PM

Dwight Howard is garbage. You can have that soft b.itch.

LeBron is clinically insane and chokes when it matters. You can have him too.

King Glorious · #17 02-23-2011, 11:50 PM

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If you had to pick any player in the league to be on your team right now who would it be?

I'd pick Rose. I think he's going to be the most accomplished player in the league once Kobe and Duncan retire. If he were 6'6" with the same athleticism he would be by far the best player right now.

There's only one answer. It's the same one every gm in the world would give. LBJ.

#18 02-24-2011, 09:36 AM

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There's only one answer. It's the same one every gm in the world would give. LBJ.

Yeah if you have zero imagination and absolutely no idea how to judge heart.

He's a great athlete and a horrible person. It's not going to happen. Anything less than 3 championships and his career is a failure. And in my eyes he'll be lucky to get one 'ship.

He's a b.itch and should never be compared to the greats.

Cannon Shell · #19 02-23-2011, 12:13 PM

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Ok but at least its a series. Rose, Noah, Boozer vs Gallo, Felton and Amare is a kill

Seriously? You realize the Knicks are playin Ronny Turiaf at Center and will have to play Sheldon Williams 15 minutes a game, more if Anthony, Turiaf or Stoudamire get in foul trouble? They have no back SG that can shoot? They have a 35 year old PG who doesn't guard anyone? Bill Walker wil getting playing time? If this was the Sprite 3 on 3 contest they Knicks would be fine. But since you need at least an 8 man rotation in the system that they play in you realize how weak players 5-8 are?