Buffum's Derby Trail

RockHardTen1985 · #1 02-07-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Yep the Indiana Derby

This horse is really not that good.

my miss storm cat · #2 02-07-2011, 05:34 PM

Zanzamar will win the 2000 Guineas.

I expect Paulinho will do pretty well.

Honestly, I think the other Godolphin runner (Splash Point) will do better but we shall see.

my miss storm cat · #3 02-10-2011, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Zanzamar will win the 2000 Guineas.

I expect Paulinho will do pretty well.

Honestly, I think the other Godolphin runner (Splash Point) will do better but we shall see.

I won't redboard about boxing any exacta

but Splash Point won (I was wrong there), Zanzamar 2nd, not sure where Buffum finished.

RockHardTen1985 · #4 02-10-2011, 12:47 PM

I think Buffum actually ran OK for his first start back.

my miss storm cat · #5 02-10-2011, 12:50 PM

I know you're alive in your pick 3...

Good luck.

I used the 4, 6 and 8 in the last race. We shall see.

RockHardTen1985 · #6 02-10-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I know you're alive in your pick 3...

Good luck.

I used the 4, 6 and 8 in the last race. We shall see.

With the payouts I wish I went a bit lighter in first leg and maybe used the 6,8 in this. I could have had the winner in the first leg going 3 deep, I would have needed all 4 in middle leg though. Good Luck to you.

PatCummings · #7 02-10-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think Buffum actually ran OK for his first start back.

He did run well, better than expected, but if Mike De Kock had any control over the jockey bookings on his horse, he would have won with Soumillon riding Zanzamar instead of Richard Hills, who should be totted off for that tragedy of a ride.

PatCummings · #8 02-10-2011, 12:57 PM

Buffum was fifth, I believe.

Betsy · #9 02-10-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think Buffum actually ran OK for his first start back.

Any idea how many lengths he was beaten? This was also his first go on synthetics....Thanks!

Splash Point is a 3 year old, but it still just seems so odd that Southern Hemisphere 3 year olds (our 4 year olds) are allowed to compete in this race.

RockHardTen1985 · #10 02-10-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Any idea how many lengths he was beaten? This was also his first go on synthetics....Thanks!

Splash Point is a 3 year old, but it still just seems so odd that Southern Hemisphere 3 year olds (our 4 year olds) are allowed to compete in this race.

I want to say maybe 4-5. He made a wide premature move and made the lead in the stretch. He was not in good position early IMO seemed stuck in between horses and even dropped back at one point before making his run. He might actually be OK.

Betsy · #11 02-10-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I want to say maybe 4-5. He made a wide premature move and made the lead in the stretch. He was not in good position early IMO seemed stuck in between horses and even dropped back at one point before making his run. He might actually be OK.

Thanks! I thought he had shown a lot of ability in his debut, so I'm glad to see he ran closer to that race than to his Remsen; it's nice to see that he clearly handled the synthetic track fairly well. Hopefully he'll bounce back from this race in good shape.......

PatCummings · #12 02-10-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Any idea how many lengths he was beaten? This was also his first go on synthetics....Thanks!

Splash Point is a 3 year old, but it still just seems so odd that Southern Hemisphere 3 year olds (our 4 year olds) are allowed to compete in this race.

It all depends on your view. In the southern hemisphere, they ARE 3yo. Being six months older, or so, they carry more weight, so it is equitably distributed, really.

Betsy · #13 02-10-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings

It all depends on your view. In the southern hemisphere, they ARE 3yo. Being six months older, or so, they carry more weight, so it is equitably distributed, really.

That's true - didn't think about the weight at all; thanks!

Pedigree Ann · #14 02-12-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Any idea how many lengths he was beaten? This was also his first go on synthetics....Thanks!

Splash Point is a 3 year old, but it still just seems so odd that Southern Hemisphere 3 year olds (our 4 year olds) are allowed to compete in this race.

Because they are still actually 3yos. SH foaling season is the spring, Sept to Nov. The AJC Derby (Australia's Derby) won't even be run for another month and a half. The Cape Derby in South Africa was run a month ago, as was the NZ Derby. These horses are like August 3yos in the US. And the NH 3yos get a weight concession for being 6 months younger, so it's not like it isn't a level playing field.

Betsy · #15 02-12-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Because they are still actually 3yos. SH foaling season is the spring, Sept to Nov. The AJC Derby (Australia's Derby) won't even be run for another month and a half. The Cape Derby in South Africa was run a month ago, as was the NZ Derby. These horses are like August 3yos in the US. And the NH 3yos get a weight concession for being 6 months younger, so it's not like it isn't a level playing field.

Thanks! Still, I don't think a weight concession does much when you think of it as just turned 3 year olds (some still actuallly 2) running against nearly mature 3 year olds........seems like still a big disadvantage for the NH 3 year olds.

Linny · #16 02-10-2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I won't redboard about boxing any exacta

but Splash Point won (I was wrong there), Zanzamar 2nd, not sure where Buffum finished.

Splash Point is not Godolphin. He's owned by Sh. Mo's son i believe.

my miss storm cat · #17 02-10-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

Splash Point is not Godolphin. He's owned by Sh. Mo's son i believe.

Well this is why I thought he was Godolphin....

http://www.godolphin.com/HorseDetail...d=1_2_1&id=838

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

With the payouts I wish I went a bit lighter in first leg and maybe used the 6,8 in this. I could have had the winner in the first leg going 3 deep, I would have needed all 4 in middle leg though. Good Luck to you.

Good for you

(and for her. I had given up on her but nice to see her win)!

PatCummings · #18 02-10-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

Splash Point is not Godolphin. He's owned by Sh. Mo's son i believe.

Pretty much all the same.

Linny · #19 02-10-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings

Pretty much all the same.

Since he doesn't run in the royal blue, I figure that they didn't have him on the A Team ...yet. he ran well and as a northern hemisphere bred he could find himself in the KY Derby hunt. He won a $250k Group race.

tjfla · #20 02-10-2011, 03:20 PM

Sheik Hamdan bin Mohammed Al Maktoum ownes Splash Point

He got $150,000 towards the KY Derby with 2 more big money races so he could be a possiblity?

Something to look for is IF Buffum wins or comes in 2nd in the 2 million dollar race he WILL make the KY Derby