2/5-6 (SA): Las Virgenes, Thunder Rd, Strub; San Antonio

[RolloTomasi]

I wonder where Twirling Candy would have finished had he run in the Donn Handicap today. Visually, he still seems to be a bit of a run-off type going two turns and I don't think he would have enjoyed being placed somewhere between Square Eddie/Morning Line and Rule/I Want Revenge.

Nonetheless, a very powerful performance in what amounted to a second level allowance race based on the rest of the field (unless you're ready to call Indian Firewater a real Grade 2 horse).

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I wonder where Twirling Candy would have finished had he run in the Donn Handicap today. Visually, he still seems to be a bit of a run-off type going two turns and I don't think he would have enjoyed being placed somewhere between Square Eddie/Morning Line and Rule/I Want Revenge.

Nonetheless, a very powerful performance in what amounted to a second level allowance race based on the rest of the field (unless you're ready to call Indian Firewater a real Grade 2 horse).

Flip flop, flip flop.

You keep hanging on to that run-off can't turn lead it's honorable work, knish. You want to jump on board the Sid's train now or you figure might as well take a shot a rein breaks and he jumps into the stands?

I remember a noted brilliant horse guy in Cal suggesting all the Graded 3 year old races always looked the part of a second level allowance? Shirley, you must remember such posts from that well versed gentleman? FlipO

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Flip flop, flip flop.

You keep hanging on to that run-off can't turn lead it's honorable work, knish. You want to jump on board the Sid's train now or you figure might as well take a shot a rein breaks and he jumps into the stands?

I remember a noted brilliant horse guy in Cal suggesting all the Graded 3 year old races always looked the part of a second level allowance? Shirley, you must remember such posts from that well versed gentleman? FlipO

Whatever. Can't wait for the superlatives that will be thrown around if this horse is able to hang on at 10f in the Big Cap vs. Gladding and Aggie Engineer. Where's Richard's Kid when you need him?

Again, he would have been gutted in the Donn like all the rest. But somehow savaging the mighty Tweebster (an 8th start maiden breaker, mind you) makes him a monster. At least he didn't need a free pass from the CA stewards to prove himself "much the best" yesterday.

Wake me up when he beats something better than sprinter Smiling Tiger.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Gladding only took 7 tries to break his maiden at Calder ... and with that trainer change - a Big Cap victory almost felt inevitable.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Gladding only took 7 tries to break his maiden at Calder ... and with that trainer change - a Big Cap victory almost felt inevitable.

Actually, how likely is it that Sadler will run Gladding in the Big Cap?

I'm guessing a trip to Dubai for the Godolphin Mile or perhaps the World Cup is more likely.

Of course, I totally forgot about Game On Dude and Mythical Power who together accounted for 2 of Lone Star Park's (that's in Texas) 3 graded stakes (all Grade 3) last year.

Twirling Candy may prove to be legendary early next Month.

All that aside, I'd pay to see a Twirling Candy-Sidney's Candy match race at a flat mile.

Get P Val and Julie Krone to ride and there can be side wagering on who ends up hitting their mount the most down the stretch.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Actually, how likely is it that Sadler will run Gladding in the Big Cap?

I'm guessing a trip to Dubai for the Godolphin Mile or perhaps the World Cup is more likely.

Of course, I totally forgot about Game On Dude and Mythical Power who together accounted for 2 of Lone Star Park's (that's in Texas) 3 graded stakes (all Grade 3) last year.

Twirling Candy may prove to be legendary early next Month.

All that aside, I'd pay to see a Twirling Candy-Sidney's Candy match race at a flat mile.

Get P Val and Julie Krone to ride and there can be side wagering on who ends up hitting their mount the most down the stretch.

Both of those Bafferts can run a little.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Both of those Bafferts can run a little.

I agree, if by "a little", you mean they are Grade 3 caliber horses.

To this point, neither has any business winning a race like the Big Cap.

And yet they are likely to be Twirling Candy's biggest "threats" in that race.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Whatever. Can't wait for the superlatives that will be thrown around if this horse is able to hang on at 10f in the Big Cap vs. Gladding and Aggie Engineer. Where's Richard's Kid when you need him?

Again, he would have been gutted in the Donn like all the rest. But somehow savaging the mighty Tweebster (an 8th start maiden breaker, mind you) makes him a monster. At least he didn't need a free pass from the CA stewards to prove himself "much the best" yesterday.

Wake me up when he beats something better than sprinter Smiling Tiger.

Gutted in the Donn? Morning Line ran his brains out. Morning Line has the guts of a Tiznow but the speed of a horse a few shades below. So you think Morning Line or Stem Cell Eddie were the pot that were going to cook a colt that was 8 lengths faster? Glad you lined up the Big Cap disclaimers in advance..lol

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Gutted in the Donn? Morning Line ran his brains out. Morning Line has the guts of a Tiznow but the speed of a horse a few shades below. So you think Morning Line or Stem Cell Eddie were the pot that were going to cook a colt that was 8 lengths faster? Glad you lined up the Big Cap disclaimers in advance..lol

Explain the 8 lengths faster part.

Didn't Morning Line, despite having to duel throughout in the Donn, still register a Beyer figure higher than Twirling Candy, who sat in the garden spot throughout awaiting an epic hookup with patented stretch crumbler Indian Firewater, did in the Strub?

Do you even remember that this horse got stuffed in the Goodwood last fall with an identical trip? I know, I know, that was on Cushion track...

Amazing the difference in reputation a horse can earn when running against a field of non-winners 2x allowance foes as opposed to a field featuring a two-time Pacific Classic winner, Hollywood Gold Cup winner, future BC Mile winner, BC Sprint runner-up, etc.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Explain the 8 lengths faster part.

Didn't Morning Line, despite having to duel throughout in the Donn, still register a Beyer figure higher than Twirling Candy, who sat in the garden spot throughout awaiting an epic hookup with patented stretch crumbler Indian Firewater, did in the Strub?

Do you even remember that this horse got stuffed in the Goodwood last fall with an identical trip? I know, I know, that was on Cushion track...

Amazing the difference in reputation a horse can earn when running against a field of non-winners 2x allowance foes as opposed to a field featuring a two-time Pacific Classic winner, Hollywood Gold Cup winner, future BC Mile winner, BC Sprint runner-up, etc.

Explain the "sat in the garden spot throughout" isn't that impossible for a run off sprinter?

As for the 8lengths faster its simple..Sadler is improving the animal to be better and reach his potential.

The Goodward experience was a stepping stone vs. a set back as some noted experts hastily summerized. hence their premmature conclusions are devoid of reality.

As for 2x other then field it sucked but the 2011 Donn was hardily the 1997 rendition. Morning line Stem Cell Eddie I Want a leg and Giant slow poke? A telling group

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Explain the "sat in the garden spot throughout" isn't that impossible for a run off sprinter?

It was the garden spot because he had an outclassed sprinter burning himself out on the lead with a bunch of slugs directly behind him. All Rosario had to do was taking a massive hold and put his feet in the dashboard for about 6f and wait for Indian Firewater to die.

As for the 8lengths faster its simple..Sadler is improving the animal to be better and reach his potential.

In other words, you made it up.

The Goodward experience was a stepping stone vs. a set back as some noted experts hastily summerized. hence their premmature conclusions are devoid of reality.

Yes, a stepping stone to the BC Classic.

He failed.

As for 2x other then field it sucked but the 2011 Donn was hardily the 1997 rendition. Morning line Stem Cell Eddie I Want a leg and Giant slow poke? A telling group

Obviously, you don't get what's being said. All those horses are quality speed horses that can stay over a route of ground. Arguably, Twirling Candy has only faced one such horse in his career, that being Crown Of Thorns, who not only dueled with him in the Goodwood for 6f, but also rerallied and put him away down the lane. And Crown Of Thorns is no monster.

What do you think would happen if Twirling Candy had to tackle 3 or 4 such horses as those that lined up in the Donn? I'll concede he probably would have finished in front of Square Eddie.

I realize you have an Atlas-like struggle here hoisting the World of Twirling Candy BS you've created for yourself.

Just don't get yourself hurt when you end up having to shrug...