Best Victory over Males

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Im not confused and I am comparing to the recent crops. Super Saver and MTB winning Derby, and those big 3 came along in the same year. Thats all Im saying.

The crop that MTB was in was actually pretty decent, but was decimated by injuries.

I think it's far from a certainty that Hard Spun would have fared that well in that year had that crop stayed sound.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

The crop that MTB was in was actually pretty decent, but was decimated by injuries.

I think it's far from a certainty that Hard Spun would have fared that well in that year had that crop stayed sound.

I stongly disagree with this. Hard Spun showed in the BC he loved the slop, I think he wins that Derby fairly easily. If I remember correctly Fresian Fires what the chalk and I had POTN as my lone A. Big Drama was a sprinter period, Summer Bird did not get really good until the Travers IMO. Dunkirk ran 1 good race. And like you said the 2 big horses got hurt.

[King Glorious]

Hands down Rags to Riches for me. I know people say that Curlin was tired from the first two legs but still, he was Curlin. What made it even more impressive to me in retrospect is that Curlin went on to win the JCGC and BC Classic and be named HOY. Not only did Rags beat him but she beat him in a battle. No getting out front and lasting. No catching horses that tired from the pace. The two of them hooked up and she outran him. In terms of quality of competition faced, I'd take this race over all three of Rachel's against the boys. Zenyatta's was good but it wasn't great to me. Even though we know grass horses tend to run well on synthetics, it's not a given that all do and Rip Van Winkle didn't. That left a pretty average group of horses. Twice Over was no great thing. Gio Ponti, for all that he's done, has never won a race that wasn't on grass. Summer Bird was not a bad horse but he was also realistically probably no better than the 5th or 6th best 3yo (if all were healthy) and he was also not on his preferred surface.

1-Rags
2-Rachel's Preakness
3-Rachel's Haskell
4-Zenyatta
5-Rachel's Woodward

PS-I'd take Winning Colors' Derby and Preakness over all of them.

[Sightseek]

Welcome back Kingie!

[King Glorious]

Gracias. And thank you to Steve for letting me back.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Gracias. And thank you to Steve for letting me back.

You should actually thank Byk for making sure you weren't around for the six months prior to Zenyatta losing in the BCC.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

You should actually thank Byk for making sure you weren't around for the six months prior to Zenyatta losing in the BCC.

What are you talking about? She didn't lose. How could she have lost if she was just named HOY? That doesn't make any sense.