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02-01-2011, 09:00 PM
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If Alydar was born in Seattle Slew's crop - Seattle Slew wouldn't have won a single race in the triple crown series.
I assume Sir Barton is better than Kelso and Dr. Fager. 
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02-01-2011, 09:03 PM
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02-01-2011, 09:04 PM
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Hey Sal, I know you think Bernardini was better than AP Indy, but was AP Indy better than Slew?
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02-01-2011, 09:20 PM
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In terms of who the better 3yo was - it's a tough call but probably A. P. Indy Slew wasn't running good numbers - was facing miserable competition - and he was pretty one dimensional. Here is Slew's attempt in California at age 3 when they tried to rate him back and got him boxed in ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFmKe4t-V8s
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02-01-2011, 09:31 PM
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i'm a huge seattle slew fan, have a print of him at three chimneys...but no way i'd rank him ahead of the bid.
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02-01-2011, 10:17 PM
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I think there is little debate that Spectacular Bid was a faster horse. The thing is, Slew had this whole mystique thing going for him in droves. He was a cool horse with a cool name and the pretty horsey people love slew and thats why he gets rated higher in these polls.
Did anybody ever read the book "stud"? I loved the way Slew was described in there. The author said he had a "miles davis kind of cool". I know that you are talking strictly about speed and racehorse ability but that aura thing is why people tend to overrate the brilliance that he showed on the track.
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02-02-2011, 12:06 PM
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The horse that beat Seattle Slew...J.O. Tobin. You realize he ran in the Preakness, right? Also, never mind that Seattle Slew didn't run for 10 months following the loss. Clearly he came out of the race in good shape. You must really have downgraded Quality Road after the BC Classic. Instead of focusing on the Swaps as your answer to everyone challenging your assessment of Slew, why don't you comment on the head-to-head between Seattle Slew and Affirmed (who toyed with Spectacular Bid), rightly brought up (even if IC was kidding) after you suggested Alydar would have beaten him in all 3 Classics? You've already back pedaled a bit by stratifying the horse into "the 3yo Seattle Slew" and "the 4yo Seattle Slew".
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02-02-2011, 12:43 PM
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I think that Bid was better, but I give Slew his due for bullying through in the Derby and (more so) for his losing effort in the Gold Cup the next season. THAT was an amazing performance.
Bid, up to 10f was the fastest thing I ever saw. He was vulnerable beyond 10f though Franklin (IMO) cost him the Belmont. Losing to a TC winner at 12f is no disgrace.
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02-02-2011, 01:28 PM
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When Seattle Slew (as a 4yo) beat Affirmed (as a 3yo) - Affirmed appeared to be tailing off from a very tough 3yo campaign. In Affirmed's two subsquent starts - he was 3rd in the Malibu stakes at 1/5 odds and 2nd in the San Fernando at 1/2 odds. How do you think Spectacular Bid (at age 4) would have faired against Seattle Slew (at age 3) - I know you aren't a numbers guy but virtually every single race Bid ran at age 4 was about double digit lengths faster than every single race Slew ran at age 3.
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02-02-2011, 01:31 PM
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Everybody says that Affirmed was tailing after a hard campaign but Seattle Slew was coming back after battling colitis x. I think they were both exhausted no?
Not to sound hostile.
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02-02-2011, 02:02 PM
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Considering J O Tobin was effective as a speed sprinter - being 8th by 12 after a half mile and having to close serious ground in only his second lifetime dirt race - and first beyond 6fs probably wasn't ideal. Here is the 2nd place finisher in that Preakness. 
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