Graded Stakes and Polytrack

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I just don't get it. It isn't that difficult a surface to cap. Turf horses and dirt horses like it and it is tough to win on the front, that is about all you need to know to cap it. The top three in the Lane's End were the three best horses in the race. In the Perryville the horse that Baffert had been high on all year finally had his coming out party, I'd be shocked if he returns to dirt and isn't successful. Three of the four best coming in finished 2nd, 3rd, and 4th with the other being Latent Heat who kicks butt in easy allowances but can't run a lick when he enters a stakes race and is actually challenged. The Spinster was won by a very good turf filly and Happy Ticket would have had second if she wasn't cutoff in the stretch. Spun Sugar is the closest to a top level stakes horse not taking to poly but even her figures are all over the place so you never know what Spun Sugar will show up. She'll probably come back and win the Distaff just cause that is the way she is. The Alcibiades ran much more to form than the Frizette did. Any other stakes I am forgetting? Where are all the horses that are really good on dirt and not on polytrack?

To me capping the poly isn't the hard part. The hard part is figuring which of these horses that have only run on poly, like Her Majesty, are dirt horses and which are turf horses.

You might be the biggest redboarder who ever lived, and I've lost all respect for you.
Your address is 123 afterthefact lane

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You might be the biggest redboarder who ever lived, and I've lost all respect for you.
Your address is 123 afterthefact lane

What the hell are you talking about and what do you disagree with? I posted on here before the Lane's End that Great Hunter was a better horse than Circular Quay. You know that. How is that redboarding?

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

What the hell are you talking about and what do you disagree with? I posted on here before the Lane's End that Great Hunter was a better horse than Circular Quay. You know that. How is that redboarding?

The Spinster was won by a very good turf filly? LOL!!!!
And lets see if Great Hunter is better than CQ in the BC.
I promise to remind you daily after he CQ feeds GH his nuts for lunch.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by oracle80

The Spinster was won by a very good turf filly? LOL!!!!
And lets see if Great Hunter is better than CQ in the BC.
I promise to remind you daily after he CQ feeds GH his nuts for lunch.

Here you go, I picked Asi Siempre before the race was run:

http://www.thoroughbrednet.us/discus...pic=9372&st=20

Yes, she is a very good turf filly.

[repent]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Here you go, I picked Asi Siempre before the race was run:

http://www.thoroughbrednet.us/discus...pic=9372&st=20

Yes, she is a very good turf filly.

a very good turf filly?
I guess in the general sense in that anyone would love to own her.
but she is not Wait A While.
hell, she is not even Karens Caper or Pommes Frittes.

Repent

[repent]

ok,
Im out of here guys.
at least I started a thread that generated some response unlike my failed Los Al threads over in the Non Thoroughbred section of the forum.

later guys.


Repent

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by repent

a very good turf filly?
I guess in the general sense in that anyone would love to own her.
but she is not Wait A While.
hell, she is not even Karens Caper or Pommes Frittes.

Repent

The reality though this year is that the Distaff Division is very weak. We barely have anyone cracking 100 Beyer's consistently and very few hitting 105 period. On the turf side there are a lot more fillies and mares doing that.

So the 5th or 6th best FM Turf horse is better than the 5th or 6th best Distaff horse.

I like Great Hunter more than Quay but the short stretch at a mile and a sixteenth is a big concern to me to take any closer. I'll fully cap it later but I'm going to need to see tons of pace before I will back Quay.

The Spinster will be a better gauge of how established horses handle the stuff. Happy Ticket is a pretty consistent horse. If she runs a sub 95 Beyer and doesn't hit the top three here I'll give credence to the idea that there will be good dirt horses that can't handle the poly.


read your words Sniper, do you recognize them?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lemons ran twice on polytrack, winning once and finishing a fast closing third in the stakes falling a length short of winning. I don't see how that is so inconsistent with her form.

I'm looking for a good example of an established dirt horse not running well. Say Happy Ticket or Spun Sugar really tank. Then I'd give some more credence to the theory that good dirt horses won't like poly. You know what though, I betcha they wind up running 1-2 because they are the best horses in the race and the best horses won't have a problem with poly

THESE WERE YOUR WORDS ON 10-05-2006!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now oh redboarding one. Explain to me how you can say that Spun and Happy will run 1-2, then say that you picked Asi Siempre to win, blah blah blah. Happy now? That everyone can see this?
Oh, and I told you lemons hated it, you said she didn't. WHo was right?
You said if Happy failed to run a 95 Beyer and missed the board that you would give credence. Now you don't.
This act is old, and its nauseating. redboarding is absolutely the worst thing anyone can do in the horse game.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I like Great Hunter more than Quay but the short stretch at a mile and a sixteenth is a big concern to me to take any closer. I'll fully cap it later but I'm going to need to see tons of pace before I will back Quay.

Nice, bring out the post before I fully capped the race and found out the short stretch was no longer an issue but ignore the one I posted later with my picks.

As far as Lemons, she ran just fine in the Spinster. She can barely run 4th in most 3yo races and she ran just fine to get 4th in a G1 against older horses.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Here you go, I picked Asi Siempre before the race was run:

http://www.thoroughbrednet.us/discus...pic=9372&st=20

Yes, she is a very good turf filly.

YOu are the worst redboarder who ever lived, and its disgraceful.
YOu also failed to want to step out on a limb before the Juvenile race because you said "these are two year olds and its not an good indicator" and also said you liked Happy Ticket as a barometer of hwo horses handled it.
No mention of Kelly's landing, the filly who won the alciabades, etc.
YOu are one redboarding statement after another each and every day.
And its been pointed out by many.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by oracle80

YOu are the worst redboarder who ever lived, and its disgraceful.
YOu also failed to want to step out on a limb before the Juvenile race because you said "these are two year olds and its not an good indicator" and also said you liked Happy Ticket as a barometer of hwo horses handled it.
No mention of Kelly's landing, the filly who won the alciabades, etc.
YOu are one redboarding statement after another each and every day.
And its been pointed out by many.

Dude, stop making stuff up. Here was my post before the Juvenile race:

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho....php?t=5305#22

How is that not stepping out on a limb?

Yes, I did say that if Happy Ticket didn't hit the board I'd give some credence to the idea of consistent, established dirt horses not being able to run on poly. Well, she didn't hit the board but we both saw the race and know that second was hers if she didn't get steadied in the stretch. That could have happened on any surface.

I did mention the Alcibiades, saying it went more to form than the Frizette did.

As far as Kelly's Landing, doesn't he have at least one track record, maybe even a couple on dirt? How is he a good indicator that dirt horses can't handle poly? Who was supposed to win that race? It was totally wide open.

I think the real redboarder on here is you. You have posted exactly one pick of a horse on polytrack that you thought would win on dirt and he finished second. How can you sit here after the fact and claim the dirt horses aren't winning on poly when you never post ahead of time who should have won the race? That is much worse than looking back at a race afterwards to see if the results were unusual.

It is pretty pathetic how caught up in yourself you are that you have to flip out anytime someone new comes on here and actually questions what you have to say. You can't even formulate an argument, you just start spouting "redboarder" like some wacko from the looney bin. You've already driven plenty of other potential posters off of here with your crazyman obsessed with himself antics and I'm surprised Steve puts up with it. Hopefully he gets you in check before this place just becomes the Shrine to Oracle.

Oh, and if anyone else wants to call me a redboarder, please do it to my face, not through some gay PMs to Oracle.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Dude, stop making stuff up. Here was my post before the Juvenile race:

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho....php?t=5305#22

How is that not stepping out on a limb?

Yes, I did say that if Happy Ticket didn't hit the board I'd give some credence to the idea of consistent, established dirt horses not being able to run on poly. Well, she didn't hit the board but we both saw the race and know that second was hers if she didn't get steadied in the stretch. That could have happened on any surface.

I did mention the Alcibiades, saying it went more to form than the Frizette did.

As far as Kelly's Landing, doesn't he have at least one track record, maybe even a couple on dirt? How is he a good indicator that dirt horses can't handle poly? Who was supposed to win that race? It was totally wide open.

I think the real redboarder on here is you. You have posted exactly one pick of a horse on polytrack that you thought would win on dirt and he finished second. How can you sit here after the fact and claim the dirt horses aren't winning on poly when you never post ahead of time who should have won the race? That is much worse than looking back at a race afterwards to see if the results were unusual.

It is pretty pathetic how caught up in yourself you are that you have to flip out anytime someone new comes on here and actually questions what you have to say. You can't even formulate an argument, you just start spouting "redboarder" like some wacko from the looney bin. You've already driven plenty of other potential posters off of here with your crazyman obsessed with himself antics and I'm surprised Steve puts up with it. Hopefully he gets you in check before this place just becomes the Shrine to Oracle.

Oh, and if anyone else wants to call me a redboarder, please do it to my face, not through some gay PMs to Oracle.

YOu really think a maiden with a pathetically slow fig making her 2nd start in a graded race worth 400g's and winning is more formful than a horse who had already won in graded stakes company doing it again? Thats the analogy that you are making with the Alc and the Friz.
Seriously, was that a typo?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You might be the biggest redboarder who ever lived, and I've lost all respect for you.
Your address is 123 afterthefact lane

See, this is the problem with this place. You got tons good to say oracle but instead decide to rip someone for no good reason... how exactly is this redboarding? he's stating his opinion on the stuff, i don't see anywhere that indicates gloating or boasting.

Too many know-it-alls at this joint.

Originally Posted by philcski

See, this is the problem with this place. You got tons good to say oracle but instead decide to rip someone for no good reason... how exactly is this redboarding? he's stating his opinion on the stuff, i don't see anywhere that indicates gloating or boasting.

Too many know-it-alls at this joint.

Any time you wanna match me in a knowledge fest you just have at it.
Any subject, any time, any place. I'll mulch you into dust.
And you can bring any ten friends you want with you.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Any time you wanna match me in a knowledge fest you just have at it.
Any subject, any time, any place. I'll mulch you into dust.
And you can bring any ten friends you want with you.

I have no idea if you're joking or not, but my point exactly...

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You might be the biggest redboarder who ever lived, and I've lost all respect for you.
Your address is 123 afterthefact lane

That is just downright ridiculous.

Sniper is pointing out that the non-speed class horses for the most part are winning the races at Keeneland...Nowhere, besides the PRE-race discussion thread on this forum and on another forum where he selected PRE-race those particular horses did he ever say he benefited off them. It's called discussing a new surface, rather than stamping your feet and saying you're just not going to cap it.