Graded Stakes and Polytrack

When I Cap the surface I totally throw out a race where I haven't seen a horse that has a work or a race over the surface. I also look for horses that have shown good form over turf or a consistant work pattern over the surface. I also believe that certain jocks (like DaHoss said) have a good grasp on the surface. They are learning that they cannot rush to the lead. I also think some trainers have a jump on certain other trainers when running their horse on the surface. There are some patterns beginning to develop but I am not sure if they will be constant or not.

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

When I Cap the surface I totally throw out a race where I haven't seen a horse that has a work or a race over the surface. I also look for horses that have shown good form over turf or a consistant work pattern over the surface. I also believe that certain jocks (like DaHoss said) have a good grasp on the surface. They are learning that they cannot rush to the lead. I also think some trainers have a jump on certain other trainers when running their horse on the surface. There are some patterns beginning to develop but I am not sure if they will be constant or not.

well,
Im not tryng to make any point concerning the handicapping of polytrack.
evey person is free to wager or not wager on polytrack racetracks.

my only point is that I hope the committee does look at what this crap has done to the quality of the fields on an individual basis and makes the appropriate downgrades.

I think there will be breeding implications as well.


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Originally Posted by repent

well,
Im not tryng to make any point concerning the handicapping of polytrack.
evey person is free to wager or not wager on polytrack racetracks.

my only point is that I hope the committee does look at what this crap has done to the quality of the fields on an individual basis and makes the appropriate downgrades.

I think there will be breeding implications as well.


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The quality of fields is crap??? Go ahead and explain this to me. Show me a field in any Graded race so far that has been run on PolyTrack at Keeneland that had a crap field.

The breeding industry will flourish. Imagine being able to have a horse that can run on dirt, turf and poly. I think you are going to have more bidding for top dirt horses because they will be in demand because people will want that type of horse. Again breeding is this..breed the best to the best and hope for the best.

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

The quality of fields is crap??? Go ahead and explain this to me. Show me a field in any Graded race so far that has been run on PolyTrack at Keeneland that had a crap field.

The breeding industry will flourish. Imagine being able to have a horse that can run on dirt, turf and poly. I think you are going to have more bidding for top dirt horses because they will be in demand because people will want that type of horse. Again breeding is this..breed the best to the best and hope for the best.

you are missing my point.
Im not saying they are crap.
Im projecting that they will be crap in the future.
I think the reversal of dirt form that we have seen will result in fields not comprised of top dirt horses.
when that happens, I hope they take the appropriate action.

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[philcski]

Originally Posted by repent

well,
Im not tryng to make any point concerning the handicapping of polytrack.
evey person is free to wager or not wager on polytrack racetracks.

my only point is that I hope the committee does look at what this crap has done to the quality of the fields on an individual basis and makes the appropriate downgrades.

I think there will be breeding implications as well.


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Like the stuff or not (i'm still undecided), the fields at Keeneland this weekend were a TON better than those at Belmont... what does that say about my home track (which presumably will not be going to poly in the forseeable future?)

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Originally Posted by philcski

Like the stuff or not (i'm still undecided), the fields at Keeneland this weekend were a TON better than those at Belmont... what does that say about my home track (which presumably will not be going to poly in the forseeable future?)

yes,
but I think the results of those races are showing us that the stuff is so different than dirt that it will result in a lack of top dirt horses in those same races in the future.
When that happens, I hope the appropriate action is taken.
I feel like a broken record here.
Im not commenting on the handicapping of polytrack or anything else.
Im just saying that when top horses stop running in CERTAIN polytrack stakes races, that the graded stakes committee take action.

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[philcski]

Originally Posted by repent

yes,
but I think the results of those races are showing us that the stuff is so different than dirt that it will result in a lack of top dirt horses in those same races in the future.
When that happens, I hope the appropriate action is taken.
I feel like a broken record here.
Im not commenting on the handicapping of polytrack or anything else.
Im just saying that when top horses stop running in CERTAIN polytrack stakes races, that the graded stakes committee take action.

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Fair enough... and i'm equally concerned about that. They probably won't though as the gradings protect their own interest, you know what i mean?

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Originally Posted by philcski

Fair enough... and i'm equally concerned about that. They probably won't though as the gradings protect their own interest, you know what i mean?

yeah,
I get you.
fair enough.

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