Rather telling list in Illman blog: Highest pre-Derby Beyers

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Not included I believe Read the Footnotes ran a 113 or so at GP in Jan of his 3 yr old year.

Bellamy Road was a complete freak, his KD was pretty darn good also.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Bellamy Road was a complete freak, his KD was pretty darn good also.

Wood Memorial S (gr-I, 9f, by 17 1/2, defeating Survivalist, Scrappy T, Galloping Grocer, Naughty New Yorker, Pavo, Going Wild).

An allowance race at Gulfstream Park (8f, by 15 3/4, defeating Cherokee Chase, Captain Lindsay, Dearest Mon, Ginger's Fella).

His Derby was empty at best. Definitely stylish when he chose to run. Harldly astounding.

[Sightseek]

Empty? That pace was brutal.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Empty? That pace was brutal.

Well if you are one dimensional that's what happens.

[NTamm1215]

Evaluation of talent is subjective. However, his Wood Memorial win and his Travers runner-up finish are enough for me to see that the horse had talent. If he didn't have the ability to hold it together for long, or in a race that was set up in such a way that he had no chance matters not, I thought of him as very talented.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Evaluation of talent is subjective. However, his Wood Memorial win and his Travers runner-up finish are enough for me to see that the horse had talent. If he didn't have the ability to hold it together for long, or in a race that was set up in such a way that he had no chance matters not, I thought of him as very talented.

Of course it is subjective but look at Hot Dixie Chick. Her 2 yr old races were unreal and then what....nothing. Comes into that allowance at CD on Derby day with glue ons and the rest is history as is she....Her talent at 2 was immense. And then it was gone.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Of course it is subjective but look at Hot Dixie Chick. Her 2 yr old races were unreal and then what....nothing. Comes into that allowance at CD on Derby day with glue ons and the rest is history as is she....Her talent at 2 was immense. And then it was gone.

I don't get the connection.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Wood Memorial S (gr-I, 9f, by 17 1/2, defeating Survivalist, Scrappy T, Galloping Grocer, Naughty New Yorker, Pavo, Going Wild).

An allowance race at Gulfstream Park (8f, by 15 3/4, defeating Cherokee Chase, Captain Lindsay, Dearest Mon, Ginger's Fella).

His Derby was empty at best. Definitely stylish when he chose to run. Harldly astounding.

That Wood field yielded a lot of solid horses

Survivalist won close to 500k
Scrappy T 650k
Galloping Grace 330k
Naughty NY'er a MIL
Pavo 300k
Going Wild 500k

thx for making my point

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by freddymo

That Wood field yielded a lot of solid horses

Survivalist won close to 500k
Scrappy T 650k
Galloping Grace 330k
Naughty NY'er a MIL
Pavo 300k
Going Wild 500k

thx for making my point

It's funny but you big checks for finishing up the tracks in races with big purses. Bravo

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

It's funny but you big checks for finishing up the tracks in races with big purses. Bravo

Actually the horses above save survivialist really never raced in HUGE purse races. They were hoard knocking lower level and state bred level race horses. Nothing super talented but in this day and age relatively OK. These were ordinary hard trying stakes horses that made most of there coin in 60 to 150k races.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Actually the horses above save survivialist really never raced in HUGE purse races. They were hoard knocking lower level and state bred level race horses. Nothing super talented but in this day and age relatively OK. These were ordinary hard trying stakes horses that made most of there coin in 60 to 150k races.

Scrappy T had a decent run in some big races (Preakness, Indiana Derby, etc.).