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Old 10-16-2006, 05:31 PM
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This doesn't surprise me at all because I suggested this about a month ago. I knew that they were keeping him in training for a reason, and I figured that it wasn't for the Mile or the Clark. However, I did think that they would have announced it a little sooner. They had me thinking that they were pointing the horse to one of the two races that I mentioned above as of late since they waited so long to announce it.

I'm including the horse in my exotics. And yes Seattle, I'm sure that they do know something that we don't.

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Old 10-16-2006, 06:13 PM
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he is a nice horse and dont be suprised of a nice run..todd as mike said must know the horse has a shot at a check and is sound..
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Old 10-16-2006, 06:17 PM
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he is a nice horse and dont be suprised of a nice run..todd as mike said must know the horse has a shot at a check and is sound..

DO they pay out to 8th?
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Old 10-16-2006, 06:25 PM
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DO they pay out to 8th?
I dunno what the story is here, I really don't.
Todd is not the kind of guy to run a horse where he doesn't belong, even in a big money race. I was kind of surprised when they didn't retire him after the last race he ran.
He trained well up here and there was honestly shock when he ran as poorly as he did.
I guess like I said earlier, perhaps they found something that has been corrected. I notice a gap between his last race and his next workout. Thats usually an indication that a little problem was detected. I'm wondering if he had a problem in his last two races that they didn't detect until after his last race.
If they've fixed it, its not impossible that he could run well here. I don't know about his fitness level, or how much time he actually missed after his last race, but he has to be trining ok for them to make a bold move like this.
I guess we will see when he works down there, I'm sure his works will be highly scrutinized.
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Old 10-16-2006, 06:28 PM
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Mike, as good as Todd is, I really can't see him making a dent here. Maybe 4th? And he'll take more money than he deserves to if you want to back him.
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Old 10-16-2006, 06:37 PM
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I dunno what the story is here, I really don't.
Todd is not the kind of guy to run a horse where he doesn't belong, even in a big money race. I was kind of surprised when they didn't retire him after the last race he ran.
He trained well up here and there was honestly shock when he ran as poorly as he did.
I guess like I said earlier, perhaps they found something that has been corrected. I notice a gap between his last race and his next workout. Thats usually an indication that a little problem was detected. I'm wondering if he had a problem in his last two races that they didn't detect until after his last race.
If they've fixed it, its not impossible that he could run well here. I don't know about his fitness level, or how much time he actually missed after his last race, but he has to be trining ok for them to make a bold move like this.
I guess we will see when he works down there, I'm sure his works will be highly scrutinized.
The injury that I believe him to have is actually one that is not sustaining and can be fixed for a race or two......I'm not surprised they're trying to get him right, but I really thought they'd go out in the Clark with him, especially with the respect Pletcher has voiced about Bernardini....I think he knows Flower Alley couldn't get good enougth to get close to running with that horse after the way this year has gone for FA...

If I had to wager money on it, I would guess that this is all influenced by the stud farm owners and not Pletcher's or the Melnyk's decision..... bet they wouldb have given the horse an encore in a much more realistis spot like the Clark because they campaign their horses very realsitically on average......the stud farm is probably the influencing factor to this decision...

I'm sure the horse must be doing well (or better at least) or they wouldn't run him at all, but I have to believe taht Pletcher knows he's not wth Bernardini and others right now....
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Old 10-16-2006, 06:44 PM
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if im gonna cover the super with some of the other not up to standerd horses i damn sure will inlcude f.a..he merits the action imo..
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Old 10-16-2006, 06:46 PM
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I really believe that they wouldn't be trying to race this animal in this spot if he didn't have a legitimate chance to at least hit the board. Pletcher is great with spotting his horses, so I have to trust him once again...
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Old 10-16-2006, 07:00 PM
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This doesn't surprise me at all because I suggested this about a month ago. I knew that they were keeping him in training for a reason, and I figured that it wasn't for the Mile or the Clark. However, I did think that they would have announced it a little sooner. They had me thinking that they were pointing the horse to one of the two races that I mentioned above as of late since they waited so long to announce it.

I'm including the horse in my exotics. And yes Seattle, I'm sure that they do know something that we don't.

Really, you said that a month ago, but you said this last week, what changed?

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Old 10-16-2006, 07:05 PM
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I know PG. That is why I EXPLAINED IT IN MY POST ABOVE!!! They waited so long to announce which race he was going to point to that I gave up on the fact that I thought that he was going to go to the BCC.

And I did say my reasons a month ago as to why I thought that FA was going to be pointed to the BCC. Several posters can vouch for me on that, although I don't know if I said it on the open forum or through PMs. I think I said it somewhere on the forum though...
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Old 10-16-2006, 07:09 PM
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I know PG. That is why I EXPLAINED IT IN MY POST ABOVE!!! They waited so long to announce which race he was going to point to that I gave up on the fact that I thought that he was going to go to the BCC.

And I did say my reasons a month ago as to why I thought that FA was going to be pointed to the BCC. Several posters can vouch for me on that, although I don't know if I said it on the open forum or through PMs. I think I said it somewhere on the forum though...

But you were so sure last week, and now it's I knew it all along...Can't be both ways...You can only ride one horse....
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Old 10-16-2006, 07:29 PM
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I said that it didn't suprise me and that I knew that they were keeping him in training for a reason. With all of the backlash I received for saying that they were going to run the horse in the Classic, I just quit saying it, and thought, at that point, that the Clark would be the better option instead of the Cigar Mile since the connections of the horse waited so long to say that where they were running.

Don't you have something better to do than to pull up past posts of people...?
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Old 10-17-2006, 08:15 AM
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I said that it didn't suprise me and that I knew that they were keeping him in training for a reason. With all of the backlash I received for saying that they were going to run the horse in the Classic, I just quit saying it, and thought, at that point, that the Clark would be the better option instead of the Cigar Mile since the connections of the horse waited so long to say that where they were running.

Don't you have something better to do than to pull up past posts of people...?
Actually I do have better things to do, but I have a good memory so it's relatively easy for me to do so...Also, just want to keep everyone honest...
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Old 10-17-2006, 10:34 AM
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Well, you failed to remember that I did say that Flower Alley was going to the Classic about three weeks to a month ago. I even included him in some of my picks on a thread. Then everyone else said that it would be cruel to run the horse in the Classic. In the back of my mind, I even thought that there was still a chance that he would be put into the Classic, but I also thought that the Clark would have been the most logical spot for the horse based on the fact that the horse has not been running great, and the fact that his connections were waiting so long to announce where the horse was going to race. Heck, it wouldn't have surprised me if they would have retired the horse even though they had kept him working. Based on the injury that the horse most likely has, he'll be good for this race and I think that he can hit the board.
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Old 10-17-2006, 11:18 AM
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Would you take last year's runner-up at 30-1??? Not off the last couple of performances, but it's going to be tough to not throw him in somewhere.
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Old 10-17-2006, 12:29 PM
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What about Lawyer Ron, anyone know if he's going?
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