The Cops are coming after me...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I disagree from the simple fact that he had the best trip of any horse in the race and still couldn't get the job done....that means that he wasn't going to win under any circumstance - because he enjoyed the best possible scenario and failed, so 21-1 or 200-1 - or 8/5 for that matter - didn't matter....he lost with the best trip and NO excuses....he returned ZERO dollars to his backers...period

If you only bet him to win, yes. But when I like a price like that, I usually backwheel him in exactas and tris, and considering the two chalks ran 1-2, if you liked Pegasus Wind, the $200 trifecta was there for the taking. There are more ways to cash on a longshot than just win betting..

Any race that helps the price on CQ is great with me!!!!!!
CQ smoked Scat and Pegasus in the Hopeful and off one race over the tires is now being said by some to be a "closing sprinter". Thats fine with me!!!
Can't wait to see this closing sprinter at CD on Cup Day as he blows by the field.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Any race that helps the price on CQ is great with me!!!!!!
CQ smoked Scat and Pegasus in the Hopeful and off one race over the tires is now being said by some to be a "closing sprinter". Thats fine with me!!!
Can't wait to see this closing sprinter at CD on Cup Day as he blows by the field.

He'll be the favorite in the race...mark it down..Scat Daddy will be the second choice IMO....

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

He'll be the favorite in the race...mark it down..Scat Daddy will be the second choice IMO....

I dunno Joel. A lotta brainwashed folks actually seem to think that the tires form will translate to dirt. I keep reading closing sprinter. I think folks who believe in the Easter Bunny are more rational myself, but I'm glad they are out there.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I dunno Joel. A lotta brainwashed folks actually seem to think that the tires form will translate to dirt. I keep reading closing sprinter. I think folks who believe in the Easter Bunny are more rational myself, but I'm glad they are out there.

The fact is that he is a multiple winner and a graded stakes winner over the CD surface - where the BC obvious is, AND he shows a decisive win against stablemate Scat Daddy who came back and flattered him by winning a tough Grade 1 Champagne.....the public will give him a lot of credit on both accounts...

Early Odds Projections:

Circular Quay --- 9/5 - 2/1
Scat Daddy --- 5/2 - 7/2
Great Hunter --- 3/1 - 4-1

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Well, Oracle, this race at Keeneland is yet another example of the same jockey getting a horse stuck down on the rail,and then he has to wait for horses to go by him before he can get out(Espinoza then makes him go wider than Great Hunter on the turn.)Regardless of whether CQ liked this track,I think you don't want a post near the rail for the B.C. Juvenile.Jock seems unable to avoid getting speed-lacking chalk locked in on the rail down the backstretch. A better ride,a different surface,and a little hotter pace,should give C.Q. a big shot.I wouldn't call him a closing sprinter (yet,) but I do think he would like a little more heat to chase than he got in this Keeneland race.Scat Daddy appears to be a very versatile and game horse.To me,J.V. got this horse too close(on the backstretch in the Hopeful)to a pace that was way too fast for 7f.He realized it,and tried to get away from it,but it seemed the damage was done.The only knock I have on Scat is that he hasn't gone 2 turns yet.I think he will do it just fine,but some 2 year olds seem to be struggling with making that 1st turn.This horse seems pretty adaptable though.I think he is the gamest of the bunch.C.Q. gets his favorite track,and (with a fairly good pace) will probably have a slight talent edge.So,you have versatility,and gameness versus a horse with talent,but no speed.If I was making a huge place bet,it would be on Scat.I wouldn't single either one in multirace betting.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The fact is that he is a multiple winner and a graded stakes winner over the CD surface - where the BC obvious is, AND he shows a decisive win against stablemate Scat Daddy who came back and flattered him by winning a tough Grade 1 Champagne.....the public will give him a lot of credit on both accounts...

Early Odds Projections:

Circular Quay --- 9/5 - 2/1
Scat Daddy --- 5/2 - 7/2
Great Hunter --- 3/1 - 4-1

I think the Daddy goes favored. Always seems the Champagne holds more weight than the Keeneland race. Some of the West coast colts who beat GH will take some action as well. My guess is Daddy at 5/2, CQ at 3-1. We'll see what happens. I'm still a CQ fan. There should be a Pinnacle match-up with those two snout-to-snout.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If you only bet him to win, yes. But when I like a price like that, I usually backwheel him in exactas and tris, and considering the two chalks ran 1-2, if you liked Pegasus Wind, the $200 trifecta was there for the taking. There are more ways to cash on a longshot than just win betting..

I agree, but that has nothing to do with his price in the win pool....I hit the TRI too, so no complaints there.....All I was saying was that he had no excuse to lose with his trip, so IMO who cares what his price was...it could've been 300-1 and it doesn't matter because the fact is that he lost when the race was given to him on the front end - hence he just wasn't good enough and thats why horses that aren't good enough to win aren't a good value at any price....

However, Scat Daddy was a graded stakes winner and the class of the field with excuses in his last two efforts and yet a maiden winner was favored over him.....now that is value IMO....