Who was closer to the Triple Crown...Smarty or Alex?

Originally Posted by repent

you are a freaking moron.

the Travers track was listed as "fast".
the rain came after the race that day.

but Im not even sayng The Stone hated an off track.
what I am saying is that the one time they met on a dry track, The Stone beat him.
new to the sport?
maybe, depends on perspective.
but the verification of your expertise relies on someone else, anyone else, agreeing with your opinion.
what the hell kind of sense does that make.
I oay the b*tch next door to say that Birdstone was a better horse.
that does not make it any more true or false.

and you want me to find a "credible" person to say that Birdstone was not the recipient of a "dream trip"?
what makes someone credible and what encompasses a dream trip?
does someone on this board with x amount of posts make them credible?
do they need to be a full time writer with the Daily Racing Form?
or can they be a degenerate at Manor Downs that i see when I stop by to pick up a form?


your position is full of holes and all the smarty party agreeing with you will not make it any stronger.

Birdstone got the right pace scenario he needed to be most effective on Belmont Stakes day.
so what?
it does not make his win any less valid than if smarty jones had won the race while getting an easy lead.

stop worrying about my experience within the game or my historical perspective.
they are not relevant to the argument at hand.

like I said, nothing has changed but the surrounding bullsh*t that has grown.
Ed was right on point with that one.



Repent

I am not trying to refute what you said or argue with you. I have only one point to make. I was at the Travers in 2004. It started raining about twenty minutes before the Travers; my husband and I were caught in the deluge as we walked to the track. We needed a row boat to navigate. I think the race was even run several minutes early, so we could not bet! We had just gotten to the track as it was being run. I had bet Birdstone in the Belmont, so I was going to put him in some big exactas. Anyway, my only point is that track seemed very off, so Birdstone won on a pea soup track that day.

[Buffymommy]

OK, for starters: DA HOSS WAS AN AWESOME RACE HORSE REPENT. GO WATCH HIS 2ND BC WIN. You shouldn't say things like that.

As for the topic of this thread: I would have to give the nod to Alex. I like both horses. I really do. I liked Smarty's story and the horse himself. You all blame RH10 and Eddington for the loss of his triple crown. One thing I bring up in defense of Alex: Scrappy T.

It really is silly to debate this topic. It really comes down to people's opinions on who impressed them more as a racer. Both horses were awesome and they had a great triple crown run. Lets leave it at that and not bash each other.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

OK, for starters: DA HOSS WAS AN AWESOME RACE HORSE REPENT. GO WATCH HIS 2ND BC WIN. You shouldn't say things like that.

As for the topic of this thread: I would have to give the nod to Alex. I like both horses. I really do. I liked Smarty's story and the horse himself. You all blame RH10 and Eddington for the loss of his triple crown. One thing I bring up in defense of Alex: Scrappy T.

It really is silly to debate this topic. It really comes down to people's opinions on who impressed them more as a racer. Both horses were awesome and they had a great triple crown run. Lets leave it at that and not bash each other.

Not sure what Scrappy T has to do with AA losing the Triple Crown, he didn't run in the Derby and despite the bad trip AA beat him in the Preakness....


I would think RHT and Eddington are better horses than Scrappy T...

In my opinion Smarty was a better horse, but there's no arguing this with Repent. Why can't he just take this hatred to a horse that deserves it like Bernardini...

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Not sure what Scrappy T has to do with AA losing the Triple Crown, he didn't run in the Derby and despite the bad trip AA beat him in the Preakness....


I would think RHT and Eddington are better horses than Scrappy T...

In my opinion Smarty was a better horse, but there's no arguing this with Repent. Why can't he just take this hatred to a horse that deserves it like Bernardini...

Why does Bernardini deserve hatred?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

It amazes me how anyone can hate a horse that is the best horse to come around in a very, very long time...

H e l l, it amazes me how anyone can hate ANY horse if they love this sport. These horses die for us!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Why does Bernardini deserve hatred?

Good question...

Also, for the record, I agree with Cardus. Smarty Jones actually had a triple crown run since he won the Kentucky Derby... Alex didn't even have a shot... you gotta win the first one to be considered a triple crown candidate.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Why does Bernardini deserve hatred?

Too many people are as Bold would say goo-goo and just flat out rediculous about the horse, he's very good, probably the best in training, but not what all of the goo-goo's make him out to be...I am sick of hearing about him, Repent could bring these people the pain they need to zap them back to reality...

Why isnt Real Quiet mentioned in this thread--unless I missed it. He was closer than Smarty or Alex in my opinion.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Too many people are as Bold would say goo-goo and just flat out rediculous about the horse, he's very good, probably the best in training, but not what all of the goo-goo's make him out to be...I am sick of hearing about him, Repent could bring these people the pain they need to zap them back to reality...

I still don't see why he deserves "hatred"...

The horse has done everything he's asked and then some... if you want to hate his connections, then so be it, but the horse doesn't deserve to be hated. And this is coming from a non-Bernie believer... JMO.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I still don't see why he deserves "hatred"...

The horse has done everything he's asked and then some... if you want to hate his connections, then so be it, but the horse doesn't deserve to be hated. And this is coming from a non-Bernie believer... JMO.

Settle down, I was joking...I don't hate the horse, just the rediculous praise he's received...Repent would have these people crying....

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I still don't see why he deserves "hatred"...

The horse has done everything he's asked and then some... if you want to hate his connections, then so be it, but the horse doesn't deserve to be hated. And this is coming from a non-Bernie believer... JMO.

Noone hates this horse. I think that the superlatives being thrown around without beating a good or large field or setting any track records has caused the polarity between the worshippers and those who dont worship him.

Those who worship the horse think those who don't are irrational, and vice versa.

I can't wait for the BC to be run and hope he stamps himself one way of the other.
A narrow loss with a troubled trip is my worst nightmare as we will have to listen to the debate over how good he was for decades.
Lets let him get it on, and have the final judgement come after the last chapter in the book is written.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Too many people are as Bold would say goo-goo and just flat out rediculous about the horse, he's very good, probably the best in training, but not what all of the goo-goo's make him out to be...I am sick of hearing about him, Repent could bring these people the pain they need to zap them back to reality...

I think you could say that about A LOT of horses...................

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Not sure what Scrappy T has to do with AA losing the Triple Crown, he didn't run in the Derby and despite the bad trip AA beat him in the Preakness....


I would think RHT and Eddington are better horses than Scrappy T...

In my opinion Smarty was a better horse, but there's no arguing this with Repent. Why can't he just take this hatred to a horse that deserves it like Bernardini...

I meant that Scrappy T gave AA a hard time winning in the Preakness in almost falling on his face, yet AA still found a way to win. Just meant that AA faced trouble with other horses too. He just missed in the derby.

It really is a strong argument for both horses. They were both really nice horses who had a heck of a run at the triple crown.

P.S. RHT would have crushed both of them in their 4 yr old campaigns. (BUT THAT IS JUST MY OPINION).

And why should we hate on Bernardini? Shouldn't hate the horse. Horse is a good horse. Everyone is just tired of people calling him "GREAT". He hasn't proved that yet. To me anyway.

So don't hate any horse, they are only doing what they are asked to do. Hate the playas.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning

I am not trying to refute what you said or argue with you. I have only one point to make. I was at the Travers in 2004. It started raining about twenty minutes before the Travers; my husband and I were caught in the deluge as we walked to the track. We needed a row boat to navigate. I think the race was even run several minutes early, so we could not bet! We had just gotten to the track as it was being run. I had bet Birdstone in the Belmont, so I was going to put him in some big exactas. Anyway, my only point is that track seemed very off, so Birdstone won on a pea soup track that day.

I think your memory is a little bit off. I was at the track all day that day. Yes, there was a storm but it didnt start until AFTER the race. There was no soupy track. Now, it was pretty much a monsoon after it started but the race began as the dark clouds rolled ominously in and the thunder was crackling.

Yes, it began a few minutes before schedule and they loaded QUICKLY but that was to ensure that they did run on a dry track. Im sure you can find the find replay somewhere.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I think your memory is a little bit off. I was at the track all day that day. Yes, there was a storm but it didnt start until AFTER the race. There was no soupy track. Now, it was pretty much a monsoon after it started but the race began as the dark clouds rolled ominously in and the thunder was crackling.

Yes, it began a few minutes before schedule and they loaded QUICKLY but that was to ensure that they did run on a dry track. Im sure you can find the find replay somewhere.

Track was dry and fast for that race. Pea Soup? Do you have alzheimer's?