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[blackthroatedwind]

Actually Senor Redboarder I bet Pegasus Wind because he was the true overlay in the race.

You really are the Yogi Berra of analogies, by the way, as that comparison between Keyed Entry and Commentator is somewhere between baffling and moronic.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually Senor Redboarder I bet Pegasus Wind because he was the true overlay in the race.
as that comparison between Keyed Entry and Commentator is somewhere between baffling and moronic.

Yeah, because Commentator runs so much and is SOOOO sound, isn't he? I know hat you meant....everyone on this board knows you think Pletcher breaks down all of his horses....its public knowledge, just like we know you think Zito is a horse whisperer...

By the way, Pegasus Wind was a horrible play....got an easy lead and still croaked.....how could you lose that race after walking by yourself on the lead??? An overlay ...hardly....he isn't on the same planet with Scat Daddy on talent....I've seen them both train extensively...

Plus, Lukas isn't allowed to win big races anymore, is he?

[The Bid]

Poor Albert the Great, he cant help that hes a brutal sire.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yeah, because Commentator runs so much and is SOOOO sound, isn't he? I know hat you meant....everyone on this board knows you think Pletcher breaks down all of his horses....its public knowledge, just like we know you think Zito is a horse whisperer...

By the way, Pegasus Wind was a horrible play....got an easy lead and still croaked.....how could you lose that race after walking by yourself on the lead??? An overlay ...hardly....he isn't on the same planet with Scat Daddy on talent....I've seen them both train extensively...

Plus, Lukas isn't allowed to win big races anymore, is he?

Wow, Joel, that's a really sad post and inaccurate post.

Commentator is a laimo, no doubt, as he didn't get to the races until August of his three year old year, whereupon he strung up five consecutive victories before sustaining an injury most likely during the Hal's Hope at Gulfstream. Following that he returned six months later and strung up two consecutive 120 plus Beyer figures including a defeat of Saint Liam in the Whitney at Saratoga. He was then injured in his next, and ninth start, in the Woodward. He returned ten months later to win an allowance at Belmont before his effort ( or non-effort ) in the Vosburgh. No doubt he has his share of physical problems, but he showed solid ability from the start and at least has been able to show it with a consistency even during his spotty career.

Now Keyed Entry...ran once at 2 and won a slow race at Monmouth. He then returned six months later at Gulfstream where he exploded with a victory and improved his Beyer 35 points from his debut. He followed that up by outfooting multiple Grade 1 winning First Samurai and increased his Beyer figure another 14 points. He followed this sudden improvement with two solid, if less than spectacular efforts when stretching out only to be virtually eased in the KY Derby. He showed up another two months later in the Dwyer only to essentially be eased again. Exploded on the scene with two dynamic races, tailed off, disappeared.

Perhaps you see a correlation between the two but to me if feels like two very different situations. But, your poor analysis doesn't stop there, as you then claim that I think " Pletcher breaks down all his horses ". It is here where you turn into a scumbag and not just an inaccurate analyst. Be very clear here, Joel, it is you that turned this into a fight by making outrageous and false claims about me. What I have said here on a number of occasions is that many horses from Todd's barn flash a lot of ability but fail to sustain these improvements and often pretty much disappear from the scene. This is not claiming he " breaks down " any or " all of his horses " but that he doesn't have a long resume of sustained improvement in horses. There is a substantial difference between these two things whether they fit your deranged againda or not.

As for my supposed claims about Nick Zito....huh? He's my friend, that's something I have never hidden, but sorry if I can't recall the posts where I claimed he was " a horse whisperer ". Feel free to find them but mostly I have just said I root for him. I do think he's a good trainer, hell his record certainly indicates that, just as I have stated on many occasions that I think Todd Pletcher is a terrific trainer ( how could anybody not think that ) but they certainly have different styles.

I never claimed that Pegusus Wind ran a great race but if you think he was a horrible play, at 21-1, after that race then you know absolutely nothing about betting on horse races. If the reasons for this aren't self-evident then there is nothing anyone can do to explain it to you.

So, I posted that I disagreed with you about the perspective futures of NoBiz and Scat Daddy and you very quickly turned this into a fight where you libelled me by making false claims about me as well as inaccurately assessed a number of my comments in a further desperate attempt for a fight.

Get a grip on yourself dude.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Wow, Joel, that's a really sad post and inaccurate post.

Commentator is a laimo, no doubt, as he didn't get to the races until August of his three year old year, whereupon he strung up five consecutive victories before sustaining an injury most likely during the Hal's Hope at Gulfstream. Following that he returned six months later and strung up two consecutive 120 plus Beyer figures including a defeat of Saint Liam in the Whitney at Saratoga. He was then injured in his next, and ninth start, in the Woodward. He returned ten months later to win an allowance at Belmont before his effort ( or non-effort ) in the Vosburgh. No doubt he has his share of physical problems, but he showed solid ability from the start and at least has been able to show it with a consistency even during his spotty career.

Now Keyed Entry...ran once at 2 and won a slow race at Monmouth. He then returned six months later at Gulfstream where he exploded with a victory and improved his Beyer 35 points from his debut. He followed that up by outfooting multiple Grade 1 winning First Samurai and increased his Beyer figure another 14 points. He followed this sudden improvement with two solid, if less than spectacular efforts when stretching out only to be virtually eased in the KY Derby. He showed up another two months later in the Dwyer only to essentially be eased again. Exploded on the scene with two dynamic races, tailed off, disappeared.

Perhaps you see a correlation between the two but to me if feels like two very different situations. But, your poor analysis doesn't stop there, as you then claim that I think " Pletcher breaks down all his horses ". It is here where you turn into a scumbag and not just an inaccurate analyst. Be very clear here, Joel, it is you that turned this into a fight by making outrageous and false claims about me. What I have said here on a number of occasions is that many horses from Todd's barn flash a lot of ability but fail to sustain these improvements and often pretty much disappear from the scene. This is not claiming he " breaks down " any or " all of his horses " but that he doesn't have a long resume of sustained improvement in horses. There is a substantial difference between these two things whether they fit your deranged againda or not.

As for my supposed claims about Nick Zito....huh? He's my friend, that's something I have never hidden, but sorry if I can't recall the posts where I claimed he was " a horse whisperer ". Feel free to find them but mostly I have just said I root for him. I do think he's a good trainer, hell his record certainly indicates that, just as I have stated on many occasions that I think Todd Pletcher is a terrific trainer ( how could anybody not think that ) but they certainly have different styles.

I never claimed that Pegusus Wind ran a great race but if you think he was a horrible play, at 21-1, after that race then you know absolutely nothing about betting on horse races. If the reasons for this aren't self-evident then there is nothing anyone can do to explain it to you.

So, I posted that I disagreed with you about the perspective futures of NoBiz and Scat Daddy and you very quickly turned this into a fight where you libelled me by making false claims about me as well as inaccurately assessed a number of my comments in a further desperate attempt for a fight.

Get a grip on yourself dude.

Just go shoot yourself, man.....you are miserable.....

Oh, and a 'good play' is finding a horse who wins at 21-1, not a horse with no chance.....how rewarding was that third-place finish? How much did it pay, Focker?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Just go shoot yourself, man.....you are miserable.....

Oh, and a 'good play' is finding a horse who wins at 21-1, not a horse with no chance.....how rewarding was that third-place finish? How much did it pay, Focker?

You could have just apologized.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You could have just apologized.

I'm still waiting for your apology from the first childish lash-out you had against me a week or two ago.....but I never held my breath because I know New Yorkers are proud people....

I'm waiting for you both to take your toys and go home.

Oh and congrats on Scat Daddy. I can't believe you picked that one. Good job, handicapper.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Couldn't disagree with you more about Pegasus. At 21-1 he was a very good play I think. He was beat what a length or 2 for all the money. Not a bad play at 21-1 I think. Seriously, Scat ran a very good race, but at this point I'll take Nobiz to beat him in the juvenile. Nobiz had a much tougher trip than Scat, after breaking slowly. He showed a great turn of foot to get back into it, and certainly held his own for it being his second start. At 8-5, yeah his odds were way underlaid. But I think the Juvy will be a completely different story. Not sold on Scat going two turns yet, and for someone who is so concerned by pedigree as you have made two snipes at Albert The Great. It is humorous that you are so sure a horse by Johannesburg will get two turns.

Pedigree 101:

The sire provides the brilliance and the dam provides the stamina on most occasions. His dam is heavy in stamina breeding and performance and there are Grade 1 winners around two turns in the second and third dam....

Plus, if I remember correctly Johannesburg won the BC Juvy at 1 1/16 miles and that is all I said about Scat Daddy...I admit that I'm skeptical about him getting Classic distances...I've said that many times already.....

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Pedigree 101:

The sire provides the brilliance and the dam provides the stamina on most occasions. His dam is heavy in stamina breeding and performance and there are Grade 1 winners around two turns in the second and third dam....

Plus, if I remember correctly Johannesburg won the BC Juvy at 1 1/16 miles and that is all I said about Scat Daddy...I admit that I'm skeptical about him getting Classic distances...I've said that many times already.....

Brilliance...

Thats good catchall horsey talk.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Thanks for the lesson. I have no desire to get into one of your immature debates, so we'll see what happens in the Juvy.

Just explaining how I believe pedigree to affect a horse's distance capabilities, man....sorry you couldn't take it....the firt thing I learned was the very rule of thumb you obviously don't believe in.... no big deal, its all good...