A 2nd BC Day?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Its not negativity Pmayjr, but that kinda cash doesnt come easily. And if they had it to spend, pumping up the purses of the existing races is the way to go.
A dirt mile would weaken both the classic and sprint, thats no good. Turf sprints will never be added. The BREEDERS cup's main purpose was to make stallions. Turf sprint specialists will never be worth 50 cents at stud, so you can forget them adding that on.
I think we have them all covered here. When they added the missing filly and mare turf race they covered it all.
I guess the next thing they mad add, if ever, is the filly and mare sprint. Which I could kinda see a case for, but I'm not dying to see it happen either.
I like things the way they are now. I think all the bases are covered.

I have to agree wither everything.

[pmayjr]

Chromer hit it on the head with not going up against the NFL on Sunday. It you do a 2nd day- it's gotta be Friday. That's why I borught up "Oaks day"... as in Kentucky Oaks. ESPN covers that with decent ratings and coverage. It wouldn't get the attention and handle, but I think it would be comparable to Kentucky Oaks day.

As for a F&M sprint, and an F&M mile. I think the fields sizes and quality still would be pretty good. As I meantioned in the first post- those are the 2 races from year to year who usually attract the largest fields. I don't think that has too much to do with fillies and mares entering those races either. Because they might get 2 per year in those races?

Since it is a day for the Breeders, and to find out whom should be breeding based off those races- you wanna see who some nice bullet fast mares are who can romp goin 1:08 and change right? A dirt mile would dilute things, a F&M Mile and Sprint I don't think would.

[Danzig]

maybe a three race warm up on friday nights...

i really don't see any changes tho.

I think one day is fine seeing that "we" already have to go up against college football.

Get rid of: The 2 Juvy races

The changes: The classic goes 1.5 miles on the dirt (attract Euros) and then a 1 mile on the dirt. If you have a mile on the dirt and a mile and a quarter on the dirt, they run into each other. Also maybe we might get some distance horses here that dont have great speed trying it out.

Also add a 5 f on the turf.

So change the classic a furlong longer, get rid of destructive two year old races. Replace with a mile on the dirt, and a 5 furlong on the grass.

It'll never happen. We must have our investments pay dividends now. Owners cant hold back showing off a two year old. Same old "I got to have it now mommy." Slap that kid upside the head, wait your turn.

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dont add anything.

take out the Breeders Cup Juvenile Fillies.
run 1 race for 2YOs and do it at 8f.
no need for these dirt 2YOs horses to go 2 turns yet.

if you do want to add a race,
add a 2Yo turf race at 8f.

that way you still have 2 juvenile races. 2YO fillies can run against males at that age.

if you do add a 8f dirt race for 3YOs and up, then you have to move the BC Distaff to 10f.

you cant have 2 dirt races at that close of a distance for the same horses.


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[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I think one day is fine seeing that "we" already have to go up against college football.

Get rid of: The 2 Juvy races

The changes: The classic goes 1.5 miles on the dirt (attract Euros) and then a 1 mile on the dirt. If you have a mile on the dirt and a mile and a quarter on the dirt, they run into each other. Also maybe we might get some distance horses here that dont have great speed trying it out.

Also add a 5 f on the turf.

So change the classic a furlong longer, get rid of destructive two year old races. Replace with a mile on the dirt, and a 5 furlong on the grass.

It'll never happen. We must have our investments pay dividends now. Owners cant hold back showing off a two year old. Same old "I got to have it now mommy." Slap that kid upside the head, wait your turn.

I agree with the first part, strongly disagree with the second. If we make the Classic a twelve-furlong race, then the Dirt Mile would become the new BCC. We don't train our horses to run 12 furlongs on dirt.. It's hard enough to get them to run 10.

I don't understand the popular demand for a turf sprint.. Who exactly are these superstar turf horses who are being shut out because the Mile is too far???

Necessity (in order) calls for a F/M Sprint (think of how many graded F/M sprint races there are in the U.S.), a dirt mile because of the 'tweeners that American racing breeds, and a F/M Turf Mile. I think a Juvenile turf race would be pointless, as it would be ALL Europeans.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I agree with the first part, strongly disagree with the second. If we make the Classic a twelve-furlong race, then the Dirt Mile would become the new BCC. We don't train our horses to run 12 furlongs on dirt.. It's hard enough to get them to run 10.

I don't understand the popular demand for a turf sprint.. Who exactly are these superstar turf horses who are being shut out because the Mile is too far???

Necessity (in order) calls for a F/M Sprint (think of how many graded F/M sprint races there are in the U.S.), a dirt mile because of the 'tweeners that American racing breeds, and a F/M Turf Mile. I think a Juvenile turf race would be pointless, as it would be ALL Europeans.

not true.

lots of good 2YO turf runners.
but b/c of the BC structure, most of the 2YO turf stakes occur at Laurel, Calder, or HW after the BC.


and what would be bad about a BC race with half the field being Euros?
its the World Championships and it may give European trainers another reason to bring their OTHER horses over for the BC Mile, Turf, and FM Turf.

regardless,
its not a priority.
what really needs to occur is the elimination of the BC Juvemile Fillies and a cut back in distance to 8f.
if you want to add a race to replace the BCJF, then add an 8f dirt race or a 2YO turf race.
but if you are going to add a dirt Mile, then you have to increase the BC Distaff to 10f.


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[ateamstupid]

Name me one American juvenile turf horse. If you had to think for more than three seconds, there shouldn't be a juvenile turf race here.