Tampa Bay Downs Opening Day

[Rudeboyelvis]

Actually a great betting race - the Filmmaker colt will take all the action, but Goncalves' mount 1st turf is as live as the day is long - and 8-1 may well hold up...like the 2 an awful bit as well.

[Habersham000]

Its nice to have a morning line odds maker thats gives a horse like that a 50-1...most tracks would have that rat at 20-1 just so people don't think its an unbettable race because of that horse or even have it at 30-1 is just unrealistic and a disservice to the betting public

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Habersham000

Its nice to have a morning line odds maker thats gives a horse like that a 50-1...most tracks would have that rat at 20-1 just so people don't think its an unbettable race because of that horse or even have it at 30-1 is just unrealistic and a disservice to the betting public

I can't say that I don't love running against her horses down there, but all she does is clutter up a full entry box, in regards to their turf races down there.

LOL, 37 entered in a 2 year old MSW Turf race and 19 entered in a 5f stakes race, and they can only go 10 deep, and they aren't costing themselves money. WIDEN THE TURF COURSE or change something to be able to run 12 per race on the lawn.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

I can't say that I don't love running against her horses down there, but all she does is clutter up a full entry box, in regards to their turf races down there.

LOL, 37 entered in a 2 year old MSW Turf race and 19 entered in a 5f stakes race, and they can only go 10 deep, and they aren't costing themselves money. WIDEN THE TURF COURSE or change something to be able to run 12 per race on the lawn.

There is no excuse for them not to split that stakes except being cheap.

Obviously Del Castillo and others in the similar habit of running hopeless horses are nice to run against but it is ultra frustrating when you can't get in a race and there are 3 or 4 absolutely dogs in there.

The irony is that they will use 12 horses in grass stakes going long in and 14 horse fields in dirt stakes. This was explained why to me one time but the explanation was so ridiclous I immediately struck it from my mind. If the rails are down there is no reason to not run 12.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is no excuse for them not to split that stakes except being cheap.

Obviously Del Castillo and others in the similar habit of running hopeless horses are nice to run against but it is ultra frustrating when you can't get in a race and there are 3 or 4 absolutely dogs in there.

The irony is that they will use 12 horses in grass stakes going long in and 14 horse fields in dirt stakes. This was explained why to me one time but the explanation was so ridiclous I immediately struck it from my mind. If the rails are down there is no reason to not run 12.

Doesn't Churchill only run 10 max in non-stake 5F turf sprints as well? And that course can obviously handle large fields.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is no excuse for them not to split that stakes except being cheap.

Obviously Del Castillo and others in the similar habit of running hopeless horses are nice to run against but it is ultra frustrating when you can't get in a race and there are 3 or 4 absolutely dogs in there.

The irony is that they will use 12 horses in grass stakes going long in and 14 horse fields in dirt stakes. This was explained why to me one time but the explanation was so ridiclous I immediately struck it from my mind. If the rails are down there is no reason to not run 12.

Del Castillo, is actually on a normal hot streak for her, since 2008 she is 1 for 192 and since 1983, That is 27 great years of training she has won 58 races Yes, believe it or not with this record she does have a book published on training which I believe is titled the "Backyard Training" or something close to that. A couple years ago she had a horse called Shrimp Tempura which actullay had a good record. I always figured if it were trained by a normal everyday trainer we would of had another Zenyatta on our hands. By the way can someone explain to me how she would get assorted owners over that many years to give her horses to train?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

By the way can someone explain to me how she would get assorted owners over that many years to give her horses to train?

I don't know - but having read her book a while ago - she doesn't believe in a lot of different medications, vetting, and injections ... and doesn't think the race track is the best place to train a horse.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't know - but having read her book a while ago - she doesn't believe in a lot of different medications, vetting, and injections ... and doesn't think the race track is the best place to train a horse.

Does she believe in the easter bunny?

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Scav

I can't say that I don't love running against her horses down there, but all she does is clutter up a full entry box, in regards to their turf races down there.

LOL, 37 entered in a 2 year old MSW Turf race and 19 entered in a 5f stakes race, and they can only go 10 deep, and they aren't costing themselves money. WIDEN THE TURF COURSE or change something to be able to run 12 per race on the lawn.

I'd guess most of these horses are simply entered to earn a date with no intention, or hope, of actually running in the race. See it all the time......

Why do Tampa purses still suck, bigtime? They brag about handle and then chump out on their purses......

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by phystech

I'd guess most of these horses are simply entered to earn a date with no intention, or hope, of actually running in the race. See it all the time......

Why do Tampa purses still suck, bigtime? They brag about handle and then chump out on their purses......

My guess is so they can brag about handle.... Jus' sayin'.... they can pass that back to the gambler in lowered takeout and the Owners/Trainers still show up - what exactly is the complaint?

[Habersham000]

Originally Posted by phystech

I'd guess most of these horses are simply entered to earn a date with no intention, or hope, of actually running in the race. See it all the time......

Why do Tampa purses still suck, bigtime? They brag about handle and then chump out on their purses......

Earn a date? Wouldn't it have been easier just to have put the papers in the racing office to earn a date? Scratching a horse usually gives a horse a scratch date which is worse then a run date or putting your papers in the office at most tracks and might be put on a list for a certain amount of days and can't run anywhere...don't see any good or heard of anyone ever just putting a horse in a race just to scratch to get a date.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Habersham000

Earn a date? Wouldn't it have been easier just to have put the papers in the racing office to earn a date? Scratching a horse usually gives a horse a scratch date which is worse then a run date or putting your papers in the office at most tracks and might be put on a list for a certain amount of days and can't run anywhere...don't see any good or heard of anyone ever just putting a horse in a race just to scratch to get a date.

Yo, things are run differently down there. Its very unique. They have all sorts of dates and that is why turf races especially are a pain in the ass to get into, especially if there is an off the turf race because if you run in an off the turf race, you get a special date which trumps all.

All in all, it is a fun track to go and bs with the Don of Tampa and Exacta Bob, but running there is cost prohibitive

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Scav

Yo, things are run differently down there. Its very unique. They have all sorts of dates and that is why turf races especially are a pain in the ass to get into, especially if there is an off the turf race because if you run in an off the turf race, you get a special date which trumps all.

All in all, it is a fun track to go and bs with the Don of Tampa and Exacta Bob, but running there is cost prohibitive

Not to mention that the condition book is nothing more than a vague suggestion after the first two weeks - pretty much everything thereafter is written off the overnights...

[Habersham000]

Originally Posted by Scav

Yo, things are run differently down there. Its very unique. They have all sorts of dates and that is why turf races especially are a pain in the ass to get into, especially if there is an off the turf race because if you run in an off the turf race, you get a special date which trumps all.

All in all, it is a fun track to go and bs with the Don of Tampa and Exacta Bob, but running there is cost prohibitive

Well any track with a turf course that takes the race off the turf will either give you a super date or your old date back, which will more than likely get you back into the race the next time around...and if you get your papers in before the first day of the meet you should get a Zero Dirt and a Zero Turf date...whats different about that then at Tampa?

There was no point for anyone to put a horse in a race just to scratch to get a date when you already have a zero date in the case for the Del Castillo horse. A zero date is the best possible date you can have.

Its such a crap shoot to get in a race like that the first couple times it goes because its a popular race and everyone is going to have a zero date who wants to go in...you have to hope the racing gods help you out and get your entry pulled out of the box into the body of the race.