baseball moves

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

It's only a mistake if his signing and potential failure prohibits them from adding payroll.. My understanding is the family is extremely wealthy WAY more then the Yanks ownership.. If they really dont give a crap about P/L and only care about making the franchise a success on the field..Then who gives a dam about 40mil xtra over 7 years..

Dan Snyder hasnt made a good signing EVER yet the Skins always have money to waste on anything on the Xmas list.

They may be wealthy but they dont have 20% of the revenues that the Yankees do. That is why there is a great chasm in baseball payrolls that isnt found in other team sports.

The thing is that overpaying guys doesnt make them better or younger. The extra 40 million could be an entire bullpen outside of a closer for 4 years. If they signed Joey Votto to the same deal it is a home run. Werth is an upgrade in right field. But at the plate he isnt really an upgrade over Dunn who Chicago got for 70 million less. If Lerner has the stomach to sponsor a $150 million dollar payroll, well I give him credit and say thats great. But i still think they are going to regret this contract like the Cubs regret the Soriano deal.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They may be wealthy but they dont have 20% of the revenues that the Yankees do. That is why there is a great chasm in baseball payrolls that isnt found in other team sports.

The thing is that overpaying guys doesnt make them better or younger. The extra 40 million could be an entire bullpen outside of a closer for 4 years. If they signed Joey Votto to the same deal it is a home run. Werth is an upgrade in right field. But at the plate he isnt really an upgrade over Dunn who Chicago got for 70 million less. If Lerner has the stomach to sponsor a $150 million dollar payroll, well I give him credit and say thats great. But i still think they are going to regret this contract like the Cubs regret the Soriano deal.

Chuck you miss the point... In a lifetime of bad 140mil contracts they will never be less then billionaires.. Basically if they want to sign Crawford for 150 and Lee for 200 it doesnt matter..It's not 400mil this year its 400mil over 7 years ... On 4 bil they earn 400mil a year plus you really think an extra 7 or 37 mil a year in suspect spending matters..

If the Nats become a real team and break even all is good? In Wash if they become a significant team the revenue will be around to support the crazy spending.

The Pirates might be the best value in baseball.. They earn a ton, spend little, and you can still take your your fam of 4 to the gane for 100 bux in box seats.. The same game event at Yanks is 1500.. the Pirates have zero shot of winning but everybody in Pitts can bring their kids to a game and sit in prime seats.. You want to watch the Yanks vs. Baltimore on a tues in July in great seats? Perhaps 1500 will get it done for the night...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Chuck you miss the point... In a lifetime of bad 140mil contracts they will never be less then billionaires.. Basically if they want to sign Crawford for 150 and Lee for 200 it doesnt matter..It's not 400mil this year its 400mil over 7 years ... On 4 bil they earn 400mil a year plus you really think an extra 7 or 37 mil a year in suspect spending matters..

If the Nats become a real team and break even all is good? In Wash if they become a significant team the revenue will be around to support the crazy spending.

The Pirates might be the best value in baseball.. They earn a ton, spend little, and you can still take your your fam of 4 to the gane for 100 bux in box seats.. The same game event at Yanks is 1500.. the Pirates have zero shot of winning but everybody in Pitts can bring their kids to a game and sit in prime seats.. You want to watch the Yanks vs. Baltimore on a tues in July in great seats? Perhaps 1500 will get it done for the night...

Yeah but where is the plan here Freddy? The Nats don't have the revenue stream yet to support moves like this. How many more games is Jason Werth going to win you? How many more seats is he going to fill?

Wouldn't a more viable plan be to reduce ticket prices, promote the entertainment product and patiently grow a longterm contender? Wouldn't it have been smarter to keep Dunn and overpay him as he was already a popular player in this area?

Werth is a third tier player at best and by no means remotely close to being any kind of draw.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yeah but where is the plan here Freddy? The Nats don't have the revenue stream yet to support moves like this. How many more games is Jason Werth going to win you? How many more seats is he going to fill?

Wouldn't a more viable plan be to reduce ticket prices, promote the entertainment product and patiently grow a longterm contender? Wouldn't it have been smarter to keep Dunn and overpay him as he was already a popular player in this area?

Werth is a third tier player at best and by no means remotely close to being any kind of draw.

Agreed. With so many (relatively) cheap, short term options available why not wait till a real star player comes on the market? Sign Derrick lee to play first. Give him 10 million for a 1 year deal. Take a shot on a japanese guy and try to pave the way to take a shot at Yu Darvish next year. They have a 5 star catching prospect that should be ready in 2012. Play Flores and Ramos instead of Pudge and try to elevate their stature and deal them to a team looking for a young catcher. Sign cheap guys like they did with Capps and flip them to contenders in need. Look what Seattle did with Lee last year. Traded away 3 non-star prospects for Lee and then flipped him for a 5 star prospect at the deadline.

[Cannon Shell]

Supposedly Boston signed Carl Crawford 7 years/142 million.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Supposedly Boston signed Carl Crawford 7 years/142 million.

I think the Sox are clearly the frontrunners for the world series with these last two moves and I don't see who can touch them on paper even if the Yanks sign Lee.

They are still suspect at short, behind the plate and in middle relief but that is one potent lineup in that little league ball park. Middle relief shouldn't be hard to fill. The key will be at catcher. They desperately need a catcher (or two) that can handle that staff.

You have to give them credit for spending the cash to catch up with the yanks. I don't want to hear anything about buying championships though.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I think the Sox are clearly the frontrunners for the world series with these last two moves and I don't see who can touch them on paper even if the Yanks sign Lee.

They are still suspect at short, behind the plate and in middle relief but that is one potent lineup in that little league ball park. Middle relief shouldn't be hard to fill. The key will be at catcher. They desperately need a catcher (or two) that can handle that staff.

You have to give them credit for spending the cash to catch up with the yanks. I don't want to hear anything about buying championships though.

Scutaro is ok at SS. I think they are going to try to resurect Saltamacchia with Varitek as his tudor. Who knows what bullpen arms they will add but an interesting project is former 1st round pick Andrew Miller who they traded a minor leaguer for. They non-tendered him but are thought to be bringing him back at a lower salary and are going to try him out of the bullpen.

The key for them is they added Crawford and Gonzalez AND still have a ton of almost ready prospects to move when they need to. I wouldn't be too surprised if they made another trade with SD for a RP.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Supposedly Boston signed Carl Crawford 7 years/142 million.

...and the beat goes on....

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ml...ory?id=5900903

If the above happens, I will not be happy. It would be nice if they dumped somebody like Shields, not Garza, to make room for Hellickson in the rotation. They'd better get a ton from the Cubs for him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

...and the beat goes on....

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ml...ory?id=5900903

If the above happens, I will not be happy. It would be nice if they dumped somebody like Shields, not Garza, to make room for Hellickson in the rotation. They'd better get a ton from the Cubs for him.

Chicago Cubs
Four-Star Prospects
1. Brett Jackson, OF
2. Trey McNutt, RHP
3. Chris Archer, RHP
Three-Star Prospects
4. Josh Vitters, 3B
5. Hak-Ju Lee, SS
6. Chris Carpenter, RHP
7. Hayden Simpson, RHP
8. Reggie Golden, OF
9. Jay Jackson, RHP
10. Robinson Lopez, RHP
11. Brandon Guyer, OF

Nine More:
12. Robinson Chirinos, C: This converted infielder is improving defensively, and he can really hit.
13. Marquez Smith, 3B: He's a bit of an older prospect, but Smith can provide power and defense at the hot corner.
14. Wellington Castillo, C: He has a plus arm and power; and could turn into nice backup or second-division starter.
15. Rafael Dolis, RHP: He's another power arm in a system full of them; scouts want to see him in relief.
16. Ben Wells, RHP: This seventh-round pick was late-riser in the spring; he has low-90s heat with projection.
17. Brett Wallach, RHP: The ex-Dodger arm could move up with more consistent control; his stuff is plus.
18. Darwin Barney, UT: He'll never be a star, will rarely start, but Barney could play a decade in the majors.
19. Austin Reed, RHP: One of the talks of Arizona, scouts love his size and arm action.
20. Alberto Cabrera, RHP: This long, skinny Dominican has plus-plus velo, but needs to refine his secondary stuff.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Supposedly Boston signed Carl Crawford 7 years/142 million.

Why not.. I hate the sox but their fans are great and they missed the playoffs.

[slotdirt]

The Nats tickets are pennies compared to the Yankees or some other teams. Things aren't cheap down here, but it's nothing like New York.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Chuck you miss the point... In a lifetime of bad 140mil contracts they will never be less then billionaires.. Basically if they want to sign Crawford for 150 and Lee for 200 it doesnt matter..It's not 400mil this year its 400mil over 7 years ... On 4 bil they earn 400mil a year plus you really think an extra 7 or 37 mil a year in suspect spending matters..

If the Nats become a real team and break even all is good? In Wash if they become a significant team the revenue will be around to support the crazy spending.

The Pirates might be the best value in baseball.. They earn a ton, spend little, and you can still take your your fam of 4 to the gane for 100 bux in box seats.. The same game event at Yanks is 1500.. the Pirates have zero shot of winning but everybody in Pitts can bring their kids to a game and sit in prime seats.. You want to watch the Yanks vs. Baltimore on a tues in July in great seats? Perhaps 1500 will get it done for the night...

I have no interest in the owners personal fortune. There just isnt a whole lot of evidence that owners in any sport are real willing or happy to eat big contracts time and time again.

Sure the bottom feeders have shown that you can make a profit by spending as little as possible and collecting the shared revenue. No one is debating that. The issue here isnt if Lerner has the money to spend. It is that spending money unwisely on long term contract to less than proven guys is almost always detrimental to your team, it almost never works.

Here is the teams starting staff as of now
Livan hernandez
John Lannan
Jordan Zimmerman
Jason Marquis
Yuneska Maya
or
JD Martin

Think adding Cliff Lee makes them a contender?

Here is their lineup presently
Jason werth
Nyjer Morgan
Josh Willingham
Ryan Zimmerman
Ian Desmond
Danny Figeroa
mystery 1st baseman/ M. Morse/A. LaRoche
I. Rodriguez

Werth and Zimmerman are solid players. Uh thats it.

Wasting tons of money trying to win 78 games instead of 69 is still a waste. You have to spend money to contend, not buy ultra high on 30 something players.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Here is the teams starting staff as of now
Livan hernandez
John Lannan
Jordan Zimmerman
Jason Marquis
Yuneska Maya
or
JD Martin

Think adding Cliff Lee makes them a contender?

Here is their lineup presently
Jason werth
Nyjer Morgan
Josh Willingham
Ryan Zimmerman
Ian Desmond
Danny Figeroa
mystery 1st baseman/ M. Morse/A. LaRoche
I. Rodriguez

Werth and Zimmerman are solid players. Uh thats it.

Wasting tons of money trying to win 78 games instead of 69 is still a waste. You have to spend money to contend, not buy ultra high on 30 something players.

Seriously, all the names they could of used, and they go for Nyjer?