The real party of NO, the GOP, steps it up

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

It doesn't solve everything. The facts are that the rich have gotten richer, and the Middle Class has gotten poorer. The divide between the two is increasing. If it was the other way around, then, you'd be making a lot more sense.

The middle class isnt getting poorer. The Democrats are just lowering the value of Rich. the truth is that if people who make $250k are now considered rich then the rich are getting a lot poorer.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The middle class isnt getting poorer. The Democrats are just lowering the value of Rich. the truth is that if people who make $250k are now considered rich then the rich are getting a lot poorer.

Oh, do you think the republicans would agree to only extending the tax cut for those making $500k etc. a year? I don't think so. They care about the rich. No matter the ceiling, the fact is that they care most about the rich. This is a chance for the President to show the American people exactly that point. Hell, if he offers a 1 mil/ year ceiling, I don't think they'd agree to it. They care most about the rich, and that separation in ideology needs to be clear for the voters in 2012. The amount of American people that want to extend this for those over $250k? The percentage is in the 30's range. He needs those 60 some odd percent of the population to know exactly which party (more importantly which Presidential Candidate in 2012) agrees with them on this. Let the Republicans keep digging their grave..... Dumbo, please don't stop them.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Oh, do you think the republicans would agree to only extending the tax cut for those making $500k etc. a year? I don't think so. They care about the rich. No matter the ceiling, the fact is that they care most about the rich. This is a chance for the President to show the American people exactly that point. Hell, if he offers a 1 mil/ year ceiling, I don't think they'd agree to it. They care most about the rich, and that separation in ideology needs to be clear for the voters in 2012. The amount of American people that want to extend this for those over $250k? The percentage is in the 30's range. He needs those 60 some odd percent of the population to know exactly which party (more importantly which Presidential Candidate in 2012) agrees with them on this. Let the Republicans keep digging their grave..... Dumbo, please don't stop them.

There is no use trying to talk sense to you and Riot because you just wont admit you dont know what you are talking about regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary of your point

[Riot]

[quote=Cannon Shell;729944]There is no use trying to talk sense to you and Riot because you just wont admit you dont know what you are talking about regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary of your point[/QUOTE

Your insults are no substitute for trying to debate with facts, although you apparently think so, but it does seem the only thing you can routinely come up with.

Try harder. Throw some of those "facts" out yourself (btw, "fact" isn't just something you think is true)

[Danzig]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2010022404689

[Riot]

Unemployment checks help positively drive the economy. Applicable excerpts:

Even as Congress debates whether to extend emergency unemployment checks for more than 6 million Americans who are approaching the 99-week-limit, some four million others are facing the certain end of their benefits over the next year, unless an entirely new program is crafted.

This is the sobering conclusion of a report released by the President's Council of Economic Advisers on Thursday. The study forecast that the exhaustion of unemployment benefits for so many will curb spending power enough to significantly impede an already weak economic recovery.

Without an agreement to extend the program, the economy will lose about 600,000 jobs, as the spending enabled by continued unemployment checks ceases.

National economic output--which expanded at an annual pace of 2.5 percent during the summer months--would fall off by 0.6 percent.

That disturbing prospect does not even account for the roughly four million people who would exceed even the extended limits in the emergency program. Were that many jobless people left to fend themselves without unemployment checks, that would pose significant risks for the broader economy, say economists. They cite the fact that consumer spending accounts for roughly 70 percent of all economic activity.

"If you're looking for economic recovery supported by consumers, it's discouraging," said Henry J. Aaron, an economist at the Brookings Institution, a research institution in Washington. "It's drag on the economy."

Many economists argue that paying unemployment benefits is among the most effective ways the government can spur the economy: Jobless people tend to spend nearly all of their unemployment checks, distributing those dollars throughout the economy.

"There's very few things we can spend money on that probably have such an immediate impact on household consumption as unemployment benefits for the long-term unemployed," said Gary Burtless, a former Labor Department economist and now a fellow at Broookings.

More than 6.3 million workers were out of a job for at least 27 weeks in November, comprising nearly 42 percent of all unemployed Americans, according to Labor Department data released Friday.

The Federal Reserve forecasts that the unemployment rate will still be as high as 9 percent this time next year, and about 8 percent at the end of 2012, according to minutes from the central bank's Federal Open Market Committee meeting last month.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_791682.html

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Unemployment checks help positively drive the economy. Applicable excerpts:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_791682.html

good thing those checks help, considering todays jobs report......geez, just think if that expensive stimulus package wasnt helping.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2010022404689

The filibuster is only a parliamentary procedure of the Senate, and will definitely be changed due to current abuse in January. Not eliminated, but changed in application. Never has a party put an automatic filibuster on EVERYTHING before. It's appalling.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot;730071]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is no use trying to talk sense to you and Riot because you just wont admit you dont know what you are talking about regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary of your point[/QUOTE

Your insults are no substitute for trying to debate with facts, although you apparently think so, but it does seem the only thing you can routinely come up with.

Try harder. Throw some of those "facts" out yourself (btw, "fact" isn't just something you think is true)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The middle class isnt getting poorer. The Democrats are just lowering the value of Rich. the truth is that if people who make $250k are now considered rich then the rich are getting a lot poorer.

The level of manipulation you are willing to go to is seemingly limitless. Someone making 250k is middle class? That's as manipulative as it gets. They ain't middle class. You can call them what you want. If you really care about them a lot, then, you can try to continue their tax break by cutting a deal with the president. I'm pretty sure he'd go up to at least $500k. He might go up to Shumer's 1 mil. Point is that I think you guys care the most about the people making millions a year. That's what this President needs to expose (if he really wants to run again.) What do you think the percentages are when you ask the American people if they want the tax cuts extended for people making over a million dollars a year? You really willing to go there? Well, if the guy gets smarter (I very much doubt this,) then that's where we will be headed in a couple weeks. My guess is the guy will extend them for everyone (for a limited time.) If your party didn't agree, then, they wouldn't be doing what they're doing.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The level of manipulation you are willing to go to is seemingly limitless. Someone making 250k is middle class? That's as manipulative as it gets. They ain't middle class. You can call them what you want. If you really care about them a lot, then, you can try to continue their tax break by cutting a deal with the president. I'm pretty sure he'd go up to at least $500k. He might go up to Shumer's 1 mil. Point is that I think you guys care the most about the people making millions a year. That's what this President needs to expose (if he really wants to run again.) What do you think the percentages are when you ask the American people if they want the tax cuts extended for people making over a million dollars a year? You really willing to go there? Well, if the guy gets smarter (I very much doubt this,) then that's where we will be headed in a couple weeks. My guess is the guy will extend them for everyone (for a limited time.) If your party didn't agree, then, they wouldn't be doing what they're doing.

is it individuals who make 250k or more? or couples who make 250k or more jointly?

If its the latter... that is definately middle class.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

is it individuals who make 250k or more? or couples who make 250k or more jointly?

If its the latter... that is definately middle class.

It is families. In some parts of the country that is barely middle class. Frisco, NYC, Boston, most of Jersey.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

It is families. In some parts of the country that is barely middle class. Frisco, NYC, Boston, most of Jersey.

yeah i've never heard of anyone making 125k a year being called "rich" before.

[Antitrust32]

tho I really wish i was making 125k and I'd feel rich as a single 27 year old with only a dog and car to take care of!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

tho I really wish i was making 125k and I'd feel rich as a single 27 year old with only a dog and car to take care of!

Yep, whatever it is, it isn't middle class. 200k/ year for someone single, and 250k/ year for a couple....Neither situation is middle class. Fact is that (you'd see) that if we lift the number up, the Republicans still won't agree to doing away with the tax cut for the people making over a ceiling. If the President will allow it to go there, you'll see this.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The level of manipulation you are willing to go to is seemingly limitless. Someone making 250k is middle class? That's as manipulative as it gets. They ain't middle class. You can call them what you want. If you really care about them a lot, then, you can try to continue their tax break by cutting a deal with the president. I'm pretty sure he'd go up to at least $500k. He might go up to Shumer's 1 mil. Point is that I think you guys care the most about the people making millions a year. That's what this President needs to expose (if he really wants to run again.) What do you think the percentages are when you ask the American people if they want the tax cuts extended for people making over a million dollars a year? You really willing to go there? Well, if the guy gets smarter (I very much doubt this,) then that's where we will be headed in a couple weeks. My guess is the guy will extend them for everyone (for a limited time.) If your party didn't agree, then, they wouldn't be doing what they're doing.

You live in LA and think 250k a year (pretax by the way) is rich? I guess you dont get out much. Let me ask you a question since you are so much for equality. Why should people who earn good salaries or create jobs via investment in small business have their taxes increased when everyone elses arent? They already pay a higher percentage than you. They already make more of a contribution than you. Why the discrimination?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You live in LA and think 250k a year (pretax by the way) is rich? I guess you dont get out much. Let me ask you a question since you are so much for equality. Why should people who earn good salaries or create jobs via investment in small business have their taxes increased when everyone elses arent? They already pay a higher percentage than you. They already make more of a contribution than you. Why the discrimination?

Like I said, I was forced to use a Vet (it's illegal not to.) He charged over $1000 for keeping the dog about 7-8 hours. Fk him. Son Bitch can pay his tax. Goes for all these people that fix the market to make it illegal not to use them. Fk them. You act like they care about the common person with a problem. Bullshyt. They care about that plastic in ya wallet. I can't think of more deserving people to have their taxes raised.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Like I said, I was forced to use a Vet (it's illegal not to.) He charged over $1000 for keeping the dog about 7-8 hours. Fk him. Son Bitch can pay his tax. Goes for all these people that fix the market to make it illegal not to use them. Fk them. You act like they care about the common person with a problem. Bullshyt. They care about that plastic in ya wallet. I can't think of more deserving people to have their taxes raised.

There is no response that i can think of that doesnt insult you or ask you to seek help...soon...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is no response that i can think of that doesnt insult you or ask you to seek help...soon...

Well, anybody that doesn't agree with you is gunna be put in (or around) that boat.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, anybody that doesn't agree with you is gunna be put in (or around) that boat.

Generally when vet expenses are the basis for your desire to raise taxes there is some sort of underlying issue. Maybe it is the Garvey thing?