Girolamo

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

This horse will run all day long. It's pretty funny that he's still never run beyond 8fs on dirt.

If pointed to a race like the Santa Anita Handicap - he'd be more likely than anyone to win that race.

Im sure this will make you change your opinion, but I think Giralomo could EASILY BE THE BEST HORSE IN TRAINING NEXT YEAR. They need to campaign him the right way. Break-prep-Donn and go from there. Not this bullshit with the winter and spring off. Let this horse roll in the 9f and 10f US Classic races.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Yeah, mine too.
Because I toss him every time he runs with the utmost confidence.
I love those over bet/over hyped horses.

Jack this is silly. Toss every time he runs? Well I guess you lost some $ LAST YEAR. I guess you also lost $ in that G1 sprint a few back.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Oh god.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Oh god.

Stop. I have always liked him. He has been mishandled since last year. Why the hell was he rushed to the Classic? Why not the Cigar Mile last year then a full campaign this year?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Stop. I have always liked him. He has been mishandled since last year. Why the hell was he rushed to the Classic? Why not the Cigar Mile last year then a full campaign this year?

I left you an assignment. The whole board is in suspense.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I left you an assignment. The whole board is in suspense.

Im sleepy. Are we talking 2 yr olds or anything?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Im sleepy. Are we talking 2 yr olds or anything?

No - all returning horses.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

No - all returning horses.

Goodnight. THat was a quick sloppy list.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

This was certainly true of A.P. Indy himself as a racehorse. In nearly all his starts, he broke on top and led for the first hundred yards or so before settling into a mid-pack spot. Though I wouldn't say he was "struggling" to maintain position.



Assuming the calibur of competition left, I essentially agree with you. However, I still think its likely that Girolamo is past his prime despite the sparse race record.

Also, Haynsefield and Morning Line seem like better candidates to fill the niche you're envisioning for him.

AP Indy had alot more natural speed than most people seem to remember.

For instance, in what I would call maybe his second finest performance, we have..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWVAHhIr3Z8

And in the SA Derby, this clip shows him a few lengths back on the turn, but I recall him being closer up earlier in the race. Either way, it's not like being 3 off of Bertrando is exactly slow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eQSeOhJKW8

[Dahoss]

Considering it's 1-9 that Girolamo is going to Dubai, how is it even remotely possible he has any kind of campaign next year? He'll make a start or two in Dubai. If he hasn't been destroyed after that he'll resurface at Belmont or Saratoga. One or two starts before the Breeders Cup and that is it.

I just don't see what some of you others do with him. Don't get me wrong, by 2010 standards he's okay. But I'd rather have Morning Line, Successful Dan, Fly Down (assuming he doesn't get ruined going to Dubai), even Reading Colliery.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

AP Indy had alot more natural speed than most people seem to remember.

For instance, in what I would call maybe his second finest performance, we have..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWVAHhIr3Z8

And in the SA Derby, this clip shows him a few lengths back on the turn, but I recall him being closer up earlier in the race. Either way, it's not like being 3 off of Bertrando is exactly slow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eQSeOhJKW8

He challenged for the lead the first 1/4 of his Belmont win and also broke on top under a snug hold in his BC Classic win.

His rally several lengths behind dead closer Strike The Gold after a horrendous start to reach contention in the JCGC would have achieved legendary status had he been able to sustain the run. Too bad Eddie D. let him get involved, he might have been a better price in his final start if he let him just follow the field the home.

Not sure what happened to him in Canada, the only real blight on his record.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I just don't see what some of you others do with him. Don't get me wrong, by 2010 standards he's okay. But I'd rather have Morning Line, Successful Dan, Fly Down (assuming he doesn't get ruined going to Dubai), even Reading Colliery.

I hear ya. If he goes to Dubai you can forget about him.

I fear Fly Down is another one of those BC Classic 3rd place finishers who thrive going 10fs with a hot pace to aid them.

Going 9fs - in smaller fields - at easier paces for speed horses (like the '10 Jim Dandy) - I think he'll underachieve. However, there really isn't much out there - so maybe he'll win a big race or two on the square.

[RockHardTen1985]

Going 9 or 10f on dirt, I would take a shot with Giralomo before I bet anyone out of the Clark!!!

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

He challenged for the lead the first 1/4 of his Belmont win and also broke on top under a snug hold in his BC Classic win.

His rally several lengths behind dead closer Strike The Gold after a horrendous start to reach contention in the JCGC would have achieved legendary status had he been able to sustain the run. Too bad Eddie D. let him get involved, he might have been a better price in his final start if he let him just follow the field the home.

Not sure what happened to him in Canada, the only real blight on his record.

That horrendous start you mention, he lost a shoe there. I mentioned his win against Treekster, himself a very nice horse that met an untimely end, was Indy's second finest race. His race in the JCGC was impossibly good and clearly his best performance.

He stunk in Canada because, I believe, he was under prepared for the race. Twenty years ago, Drysdale was absolutely the worst trainer out there for winning with horses off of a rest. Over a significant period of time, he was about 1% with those.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I hear ya. If he goes to Dubai you can forget about him.

I fear Fly Down is another one of those BC Classic 3rd place finishers who thrive going 10fs with a hot pace to aid them.

Going 9fs - in smaller fields - at easier paces for speed horses (like the '10 Jim Dandy) - I think he'll underachieve. However, there really isn't much out there - so maybe he'll win a big race or two on the square.

He did run well in the Dwyer and there wasn't much pace in there...but the field sucked too. But yeah, he is at the mercy of pace most of the time. Is Haynesfield coming back? I mistakenly thought he was a Belmont horse for the course. I know he was the only other horse other than the winner that ran their race in the Cigar, but he's okay.

[Dahoss]

I don't know how far Wise Dan is going to go, but I thought he looked okay on Thanksgiving going a mile. 102 Beyer and Leparoux had him strangled also. If Lopresti can keep him and his half brother sound next year I think they can win a lot of races.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That horrendous start you mention, he lost a shoe there. I mentioned his win against Treekster, himself a very nice horse that met an untimely end, was Indy's second finest race. His race in the JCGC was impossibly good and clearly his best performance.

He stunk in Canada because, I believe, he was under prepared for the race. Twenty years ago, Drysdale was absolutely the worst trainer out there for winning with horses off of a rest. Over a significant period of time, he was about 1% with those.

If they breed Zenyatta to A. P. Indy ... that is going to be one extremely slow horse.

[Betsy]

I was at Belmont for the JCGC - Indy acted up before the race, lol, rearing and just otherwise being rambunctious. He ran great in the Gold Cup, but still I was surprised that he was the favorite in the Classic.

[Indian Charlie]

Why?

I'd have been shocked had he not been favored. He was clearly the best horse in the race, and ran the best prep race, by far.

To me, in the history of the BCC, he was perhaps the second biggest lock to win the race. The first biggest lock being the SS/EG exacta box.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Why?

I'd have been shocked had he not been favored. He was clearly the best horse in the race, and ran the best prep race, by far.

To me, in the history of the BCC, he was perhaps the second biggest lock to win the race. The first biggest lock being the SS/EG exacta box.

Skip Away in the '97 Classic was death and taxes. All of his heavy competition was out of the way