11/25-26 (CD): Falls City H. (G2); Clark H. (G1)

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Based on what - the fact that you didn't like him beforehand - or the fact that Randall agrees with you ... which should always make one question their opinion.

Obviously Giant Oak is a much better horse than everything in that Clark field not named Successful Dan .. but he is not better than Redding Collery.

Redding Collery - on figures - should have had a 7-to-9 length early lead over Regal Ransom - he's that much faster early on than Regal Ransom... and Regal Ransom (fresh off of his 69 Beyer last out) was the 2nd quickest horse in this race.

Even the Moss Pace figures say the same thing.



All the credit goes to Rosie ... she's actually going to get a slower first call pace number than the 48 she got at Monmouth when Duke Of Mischief pissed all over Redding Collery.





He was a much bigger price than Apart - who is a complete piece of crap and should have been 30/1 in the Clark. How good do people really think the horse is?

Lots of words and you really said nothing here. You're Classhandicapper with a better opinion, congrats.

Not sure what Apart has to do with anything. I'm basing it on my opinion of the horse. I don't need to be Kreskin to figure out you liked Redding Colliery and instead of just accepting he's not that good, it's going to be excuse after excuse. Successful Dan is better than he is. Much better.

Simple question, if he opens up 5 or 6 early, who do you think wins the race?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Simple question, if he opens up 5 or 6 early, who do you think wins the race?

Redding Collery absolutely wins. There's not even a morsel of doubt in my mind.

Successful Dan is a very good horse - probably every bit as good as RC...he crossed the wire first in a Grade 1 today despite being rank and erratic - and throwing more body checks on other horses than the "crash line" of Mike Pauloso, Randy McKay, and Bobby Holik would throw in a typical shift for the New Jersey Devils back in the day when hockey was on national TV.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I don't need to be Kreskin to figure out you liked Redding Colliery and instead of just accepting he's not that good, it's going to be excuse after excuse

What do you mean excuse after excuse? Look at his last five starts. His wins in the Hawthorne Gold Cup and Lone Star Park Handicap were sensational performances when he was up on screaming fast paces.

The defeat in the $1,000,000 race at Charles Town at 7/1 was a great performance. He broke from the 10-hole going a three-turn 9fs on a bullring and pressed a very strong pace and still ran extremely well.

The other two races - are his 2nd at Monmouth and 3rd today in the Clark. Both of them were similarly run races ... they featured painfully slow paces - and Redding Collery was rated off of the lead in both. RC had a very clean trip in the MTH drubbing .. today he didn't exactly have a clean trip.

[Dahoss]

We'll agree to disagree.

I just don't get excited by horses outrunning Awesome Gem and AU Miner. I think if he opened up a big lead he would have been finished farther back than he did. And ultimately I don't think he's much horse at all, Moss figs or not.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Lots of words and you really said nothing here. You're Classhandicapper with a better opinion, congrats.

Not sure what Apart has to do with anything. I'm basing it on my opinion of the horse. I don't need to be Kreskin to figure out you liked Redding Colliery and instead of just accepting he's not that good, it's going to be excuse after excuse. Successful Dan is better than he is. Much better.

Simple question, if he opens up 5 or 6 early, who do you think wins the race?

He easily could've done that. The horse sitting 4th in the Haw Gold Cup was 13 lengths out after 6f...and he was an early speed horse. With a perfect pace setup, Giant Oak was a non-threatening 4 1/2 lengths behind RC at the 1/8th pole (the 1 1/8 mile point) of the Hawthorne Gold Cup. Giant Oak was a huge underlay in the Marathon due to bettors thinking he was flying. He wasn't. RC was just getting tired after setting too fast a pace.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by JJP

He easily could've done that. The horse sitting 4th in the Haw Gold Cup was 13 lengths out after 6f...and he was an early speed horse. With a perfect pace setup, Giant Oak was a non-threatening 4 1/2 lengths behind RC at the 1/8th pole (the 1 1/8 mile point) of the Hawthorne Gold Cup. Giant Oak was a huge underlay in the Marathon due to bettors thinking he was flying. He wasn't. RC was just getting tired after setting too fast a pace.

You can't just project what happens in one race onto another and say this is going to happen because it happened in another race. Don't you think riders ride a 9 furlong race a bit differently than a 10 furlong race? Closers are asked at different times, etc.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by JJP

He easily could've done that. The horse sitting 4th in the Haw Gold Cup was 13 lengths out after 6f...and he was an early speed horse.

When Redding Collery ran the 107 Beyer in that Grade 3 at Lone Star - he pressed a brilliant sprinter named Euroears who routinely would run 21 and change fractions sprinting.

On Oct 29th of last year, Redding Collery got into a bitter speed duel going 6 furlongs at AQU with a horse named Immortal Eyes - he won the speed duel - and held on to win the race. Immortal Eyes won a 100K stakes race going wire-to-wire at 4.5 furlongs a couple of races later.



RC is fast enough to run with just about any speed sprinter in the country - he's game enough to win a Grade 2 at 10fs despite running at a virtual sprint throughout - and he can rate kindly enough that if a jockey takes hold out of the gate .. he will respond to the restraint and could go 26 flat and 51 without getting too rank.

He's a pretty neat horse because he has so much stamina for a front-running sprinter.

[randallscott35]

Diane Alvarado left the Clark winner in her barn.

[JJP]

As long as the Clark is at 1 1/8 miles, Eldaafer isn't going to win it.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by JJP

As long as the Clark is at 1 1/8 miles, Eldaafer isn't going to win it.

Against that group? I beg to differ

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Against that group? I beg to differ

You're very wrong.