Spectacular Bid

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I have PP's for horses like Dr. Fager, Citation and Native Dancer - but I don't have any way to gauge horses like that. I don't have access to chart books or results charts from that time - have no idea what their Ragozin figures look like - what their Beyers might look like - I don't have PP's of the competition they faced... so I feel totally in the dark about those horses.

I'm sure Dr. Fager was an all-time great - but it gets tricky to even guess without the aid of a lot of stuff.

Look at the Seattle Slew defeat to Exceller above - after watching that performance you'd think Seattle Slew was the greatest. However, I happen to think Seattle Slew might have only been the 5th or 6th best 3-year-old of the 70's. I've seen a lot of stuff that supports that belief.

He did however run some truly awesome races at age 4...albeit his 4yo season is hardly the stuff of legend in terms of accomplishment... unlike his 2yo and 3yo season.

Drugs, great post...Just curious, do you have the rogozin and or beyers of Spectaular Bid? Thanks

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

Drugs, great post...Just curious, do you have the rogozin and or beyers of Spectaular Bid? Thanks

No Beyers for Bid.

He was sensationally fast on the Ragozin's at both age 3 and age 4 and through all parts of those two seasons.

From '70 to '99 - only Secretariat (0.75) ran a faster Kentucky Derby number than Bid (1.75)

From '70 to '99 - Spend a Buck was the only Derby winner to ever run a faster number than Bid in a Derby prep race.

As a 4-year-old - Bid ran the fastest rag sheet number ever - and it was not broken until Congaree's first Cigar Mile win more than 20 years later.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

No Beyers for Bid.

He was sensationally fast on the Ragozin's at both age 3 and age 4 and through all parts of those two seasons.

From '70 to '99 - only Secretariat (0.75) ran a faster Kentucky Derby number than Bid (1.75)

From '70 to '99 - Spend a Buck was the only Derby winner to ever run a faster number than Bid in a Derby prep race.

As a 4-year-old - Bid ran the fastest rag sheet number ever - and it was not broken until Congaree's first Cigar Mile win more than 20 years later.

THANKS.............

[Danzig]

this is how you know a horse is a great one. you don't have to argue, discuss, or convince.
the only debate is where in the top five all time this horse should be residing. he and secretariat, citation and the immortal, original big red are the top four. there's a reason why, 90 years after he retired, people still mention man o war.
i'm just lucky that i got to see a horse the likes of which we may never see again. the 70's was a time of riches for this sport.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Random question, but does anyone know what the purse was for the Young America?

Forevere Casting, ridden by jockey Eddie Delahoussaye won the inaugural running of the Young America Stakes in November 1977, winning the purse of $144,500

And this is how I found that out!

http://tinyurl.com/32dwq4d

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Forevere Casting, ridden by jockey Eddie Delahoussaye won the inaugural running of the Young America Stakes in November 1977, winning the purse of $144,500

And this is how I found that out!

http://tinyurl.com/32dwq4d

You are soooo helpful.

I used Brisnet.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Random question, but does anyone know what the purse was for the Young America?

I don't know about 1978 ( the Bid's win ), but The Young America was inaugurated in 1977 with as purse of $144,500

[hockey2315]

Found it - $137,500 - thanks. Had to settle a bet.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Found it - $137,500 - thanks. Had to settle a bet.

Did you win?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The Young America was like Bid's letdown race .. oddly, his best race as a 2yo came nine days later in the Gr 1 LRL Futurity.

He destroyed General Assembly by 8.5 lengths in track record time. Clever Trick (who won 18 of 29 career starts - and sired Phone Trick - sire of 2yo horse of the year Favorite Trick and champion 2yo filly Phone Chatter) was 3rd beaten 20+ lengths.



It was one of the fastest races ever run by a 2-year-old .. and it marked The Bid's 3rd Grade 1 stakes win in a span of just 20 days.

Imagine today if a 2-year-old won 3 Grade 1's in a span of just 20 days.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Young America was like Bid's letdown race .. oddly, his best race as a 2yo came nine days later in the Gr 1 LRL Futurity.

He destroyed General Assembly by 8.5 lengths in track record time. Clever Trick (who won 18 of 29 career starts - and sired Phone Trick - sire of 2yo horse of the year Favorite Trick and champion 2yo filly Phone Chatter) was 3rd beaten 20+ lengths.



It was one of the fastest races ever run by a 2-year-old .. and it marked The Bid's 3rd Grade 1 stakes win in a span of just 20 days.

Imagine today if a 2-year-old won 3 Grade 1's in a span of just 20 days.

I think the only way that could happen is if a 2yo won the last BC grade 1 prep, they make the bc juvi turf g1 and it wins that, then wins the bc juvi the next day.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Young America was like Bid's letdown race .. oddly, his best race as a 2yo came nine days later in the Gr 1 LRL Futurity.

He destroyed General Assembly by 8.5 lengths in track record time. Clever Trick (who won 18 of 29 career starts - and sired Phone Trick - sire of 2yo horse of the year Favorite Trick and champion 2yo filly Phone Chatter) was 3rd beaten 20+ lengths.



It was one of the fastest races ever run by a 2-year-old .. and it marked The Bid's 3rd Grade 1 stakes win in a span of just 20 days.

Imagine today if a 2-year-old won 3 Grade 1's in a span of just 20 days.

WOW