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Old 11-17-2010, 08:34 AM
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NJTHA President John Forbes on with me this morning at 9:30...
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:36 AM
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HORSEMEN/BREEDERS REJECT RECOMMENDATION TO REDUCE DATES

Press release from the NJ TB Horsemen's Association..

West Long Branch, NJ – A November 15, 2010 memorandum to Governor Christie from Jon Hanson calling for the reduction of thoroughbred racing days from the statutory minimum of a 141 day meet to a 59 day meet at Monmouth Park was resoundingly rejected by the New Jersey Thoroughbred Horsemen’s Association and the Thoroughbred Breeders Association.
Calling the Memorandum unacceptable, NJTHA President John Forbes said the recommendation was unworkable.

“The most recent recommendations from Chairman Hanson would destroy thoroughbred racing and breeding in New Jersey. A solid live-racing calendar with ample racing opportunities is the foundation this industry is built on, said John Forbes, President of the NJTHA. “Live racing is the life blood of our industry. To reduce our calendar from the statutory requirement of 141 days to 59 would take away too many jobs from New Jersey citizens working in the horseracing industry. For this reason, these workers would have no choice but to leave New Jersey and live/work/race in surrounding states that schedule year around thoroughbred racing with solid purses supported by numerous revenue streams including casino wagering and slot machine wagering at racetracks.”

Any incentive to own and/or breed thoroughbred horses in New Jersey would disappear because live racing enables a thoroughbred owner to see a return on his/her investment. The same goes for breeding. Incentives to breed racehorses are tied to racing purses. The less racing the less opportunity to run a Jersey bred horse.

“Why would a New Jersey based breeder keep their horses or farms in New Jersey if there aren’t enough opportunities to receive a return on their investment?” said Tom Swales, President of the TBANJ. “The answer is they won’t. New Jersey is surrounded by racing states including New York, Pennsylvania and Delaware where there is a proven commitment to their horse racing and breeding industry by state government. These are states that enable live racing to succeed, which in turn allows breeding to thrive, and breeders to earn a return on their investment,” he added. “Without adequate live racing opportunities, existing, productive farmland will lose value and New Jersey will be left with nothing but land ripe for commercial development by individuals such as Jon Hanson who have made their living for decades off the build out of open space and farmland.”

New Jersey has lost 50% of its farmland over the past 50 years according to the New Jersey Farm Bureau. Horsemen and breeders believe this trend will only accelerate with a reduction of racing days resulting in more farmland and open space being swallowed by both commercial and residential development.
Thoroughbred horsemen and breeders are confident that if the Hanson recommendations to reduce live racing are accepted by the Governor, the industry would have a solid legal basis to challenge the change because the recommendations unlawfully deprive the industry of its existing statutory and contractual rights.

Currently, the law requires 141 days of live thoroughbred racing until 2016 with no less than 120 days of live thoroughbred racing after that year. This is further memorialized in a contract between the NJTHA and the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority (NJSEA), the owners of Monmouth Park and the Meadowlands, ensuring that the 141 days of thoroughbred racing would be run at either or both of these racetracks and a court approved settlement agreement dated June 30, 2004, which resolved litigation over the minimum level of live racing days which is enforceable in court.

The horseracing industry is acutely aware that the Hanson recommendations were a direct result of the NJSEA’s breach of the court settlement agreement and contract between the two parties. The court order sets forth the following stipulations:

1. The NJSEA or its successor shall be obligated to run 141 Thoroughbred racing dates in the years 2008 through 2016 inclusive. Beginning 2017 the NJSEA or its successor, may seek a reduction in dates, but never for less than 120 days;

2. The NJSEA agrees it will not seek, recommend or support any legislative changes in the number of Thoroughbred racing dates for any year which is non-consistent with this Agreement;

3. The NJSEA agrees that it will only apply for racing days consistent with this Agreement and that it will not accept any allocation which does not comply with the dates and schedule set forth herein;

4. It is specifically intended and agreed by the Parties that in the view of the possible sale/lease of Monmouth Park and the Meadowlands racetracks to another entity, that this 2004 Modified Agreement shall be binding and enforceable upon all parties, successors, ownership entities, purchaser, lessee/lessor, assignee/assignor, or any form of successor to the current racetrack owners;

5. This 2004 Modified Stipulation of Settlement shall be enforceable through an action in the Superior Court of New Jersey, Chancery Division, Monmouth County;

6. It is expressly represented and certified that the individuals executing this 2004 Modified Agreement on behalf of their respective parties have the authority to execute and bind the parties into this 2004 Modified Agreement; and

7. It is further represented that, as of the date of filing hereof with the Court, this 2004 Modified Agreement has been ratified and an appropriate Resolution issued by the Board of each party hereto.

Horsemen and breeders believe the NJSEA has consistently violated the terms of this agreement which ultimately will be litigated.

With respect to the dual racing meet with both breeds racing at Monmouth Park, the thoroughbred horsemen and breeders have considered the overall concept and in fact, have supported the concept – not as their first choice, but as a way to try to reduce the overall cost of racing for New Jersey.
“We were willing to embrace the idea if it was done correctly and providing that it did not negatively impact either breed,” said John Forbes. “In no way did it mean we would accept a reduction of the statutory 141 days of live thoroughbred racing. We are willing to work with Governor Christie and Mr. Hanson to further study this concept as long as the overall result is in no way detrimental to New Jersey’s racing and breeding industry.”

Off-track wagering and account deposit wagering also is tied to the live thoroughbred racing requirement of 141 days. OTW’s and the account and phone wagering system would be required to shut down if live thoroughbred racing is reduced. Additionally, a reduction in live thoroughbred racing days, as contemplated by the Hanson recommendation, may cause New Jersey horsemen to exercise their rights under federal law to withhold their racing signal from being shown outside the borders of New Jersey. If New Jersey’s thoroughbred horsemen make such as a drastic move as halting their signal from going to other racing states, horsemen from other racing states in the nation may decide to use their federal rights and not send their signal into New Jersey. Such a move by out of state thoroughbred horsemen could potentially shut out New Jersey residents from wagering on signature thoroughbred races including the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness and the Belmont among others. This dynamic is permitted under federal law so that horsemen have a means of protecting the live racing product in their home states.

“No one in thoroughbred industry wants any of this to happen,” said John Forbes. “In fact, we are saddened by the lack of commitment to our long term viability shown by the appointees of the Executive Branch. Hopefully, the Governor will not accept this recommendation by the Hanson Commission as it would be the last nail in a coffin labeled New Jersey thoroughbred racing and breeding.”
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:39 AM
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I think the Meadowlands live racing is finished. I have hope that they will keep Monmouth alive.
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:46 AM
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This is truely depressing. Slowly and inevitably this state is killing everything I love(d) about it. Someone get me out of here.
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Old 11-18-2010, 11:04 AM
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I think the Meadowlands live racing is finished. I have hope that they will keep Monmouth alive.
meadowlands attendance in 1977 avg was 17,606, last year 2,897. Maybe they figure if less than 3000 people go to see this then who cares. They dont take into account the simulcast and internet $ as any interest most likely. I love horse racing as much as anyone but you gotta support what you love or it will go away.
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Old 11-17-2010, 12:10 PM
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NJTHA President John Forbes on with me this morning at 9:30...
caught part of your interview. i know john is hopeful but his voice didn't come off as confident.

question, why can't they put slots in the meadowlands and/or monmouth and share some of the profits with A.C. (that thought makes me ill but it seems like a fair compromise to keep both places happy)
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Old 11-18-2010, 01:31 PM
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NJTHA President John Forbes on with me this morning at 9:30...
I thought Forbes did a horrible job repping the interests of the horseman. I adore MP and had countless wonderful experiences at the Big M BUT the only thing that Horseman seem to ALWAYS agree about is why they need there sport subsidized by other people. Your theory that the industry does support itself in reality because of all the ancillary business it forsters is quite the stretch and Satish did all he would not to completely disagree with your premise.. All business promote by product business. Again, horseman come to the table crying about why they should get money for there sport. Remember I love MP and would hate to see it go but unless the product can stand on its own shouldnt we consider LESS TRACKS and LESS RACING. Can't we ship the good ones to NY and the crappy ones to Parx/Penn? Can't the grooms and trainers move? Cant the hay truck drive an hour north or south?

So far every single time that closing a venue has been suggested you have come out against the concept save the Meadowlands TB meet.. For a guy who believes that the future is less racing and fewer tracks it doesnt seem that you are able to pull the trigger when its proposed.. BTW I know the NJSEA is trying to f things up and its complete BS..YET NYRA and there mega purses will be happy with the added stock and gamblers will be happier with bigger fields.. Obviously some horseman dyed in NJ racing would need to adjust.
As much as I would hate it the racing world doesnt need MP..
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Old 11-18-2010, 02:21 PM
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Would you be happy with only three circuits in the US? Presumably NYRA, Santa Anita and Churchill. Maybe throw in Gulfstream and/or Arlington (take your pick)?. Because that's what I get from your post. I love horse racing as a whole, but a big part of the appeal to me is I can get from my couch to the MP paddock in 10 minutes. If they kill it I'm not sure how much interest I'd have in the rest of the HR world. Sorry, I'm rambling out of frustration.
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Old 11-18-2010, 02:52 PM
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Would you be happy with only three circuits in the US? Presumably NYRA, Santa Anita and Churchill. Maybe throw in Gulfstream and/or Arlington (take your pick)?. Because that's what I get from your post. I love horse racing as a whole, but a big part of the appeal to me is I can get from my couch to the MP paddock in 10 minutes. If they kill it I'm not sure how much interest I'd have in the rest of the HR world. Sorry, I'm rambling out of frustration.
Like you I live near MP, like you I love it.. There arent horses around if the purses aren't going to be very high because NYRA is going to be vlt fueled and Parx/Penn as well. So if MP doesnt have that going for it why should they be opened? Unfortunately racing in many a state are sucking on the teets of slots and when that teet runs dry its over! Then what?
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Old 11-18-2010, 03:43 PM
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Like you I live near MP, like you I love it.. There arent horses around if the purses aren't going to be very high because NYRA is going to be vlt fueled and Parx/Penn as well. So if MP doesnt have that going for it why should they be opened? Unfortunately racing in many a state are sucking on the teets of slots and when that teet runs dry its over! Then what?
God, this is totally valid and damned depressing! See you around the paddock hopefully. Definitely going Sunday just in case it's the last time I can... Then I'll chain myself to a fence.
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Old 11-18-2010, 08:49 PM
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God, this is totally valid and damned depressing! See you around the paddock hopefully. Definitely going Sunday just in case it's the last time I can... Then I'll chain myself to a fence.
is ginger still working at the gift booth this fall?

definately my fav person at m.p.
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