Roger Stein on Beyer on Zenyatta

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by sammy

i guess there is no reason except maybe he didn't feel good that day, or maybe the other horse was just too fast for him on that particular day.

oh well, too bad.

It was fixed like a Rolex watch

[Duvalier]

Blame did beat some monsters in No Advantage and General Quarters along the way

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Blame did beat some monsters in No Advantage and General Quarters along the way

Well, let's not slight Taptam and Made for Magic along the way.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Well, let's not slight Taptam and Made for Magic along the way.

You're right. I forgot Mine that Bird and Giant Oak were also left in his wake

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

You're right. I forgot Mine that Bird and Giant Oak were also left in his wake

The pathetic part is that the four horses you just named could beat the fields that Zenyatta beat running backwards.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

The pathetic part is that the four horses you just named could beat the fields that Zenyatta beat running backwards.

Ya think?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Well, let's not slight Taptam and Made for Magic along the way.

Gio Ponti? Mastercraftsman? Summer Bird?
Come on dude.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Gio Ponti? Mastercraftsman? Summer Bird?
Come on dude.

Come on, Gio Pointi just isn't that good, and and he's a turf horse anyway. Mastercraftsman???? Seriously? Summer Bird was better on dirt and probably could have won last year on dirt. You can't make a case for Zenyatta based off a pro-ride win over Summer Bird.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Gio Ponti? Mastercraftsman? Summer Bird?
Come on dude.

Turf Turf Dirt

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Blame did beat some monsters in No Advantage and General Quarters along the way

Not to mention being wired twice by 2 horses who would be called good, AT BEST. Funny Z never got wired. Pace was against her many times, lone speed and everything, she always ran them down.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Not to mention being wired twice by 2 horses who would be called good, AT BEST. Funny Z never got wired. Pace was against her many times, lone speed and everything, she always ran them down.

I know you understand the difference between a speed horse getting loose on dirt and on synthetics.

That is precisely the reason why many people argued that Zenyatta's ability to overcome negative pace setups would not be nearly as strong on dirt and would lead to her having lost a couple of the races she pulled out.

Why we're arguing about what they did in 2009 with regards to HOTY is beyond me.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I know you understand the difference between a speed horse getting loose on dirt and on synthetics.

That is precisely the reason why many people argued that Zenyatta's ability to overcome negative pace setups would not be nearly as strong on dirt and would lead to her having lost a couple of the races she pulled out.

Why we're arguing about what they did in 2009 with regards to HOTY is beyond me.

I do understand the difference. Like you said, I know you do.

Its hard for you to discuss this the right way, without bias. Nice avatar.