Goldlikova vs Zenyatta

[PeteMugg]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

You mean, like Blame?

Hey, IC, I'm right there with you on Blame. I'm not even gonna pretend that Z gets by B with one more jump or two. Blame was better this day. Actually if the Z camp wanted, this could have been the last in a series of Z vs B.
I just think the stats are stacked G's way for the purpose ofthis article.

Chuck, these starts aren't about whether the competition was at it's best. It's about what they've done in graded events. You're correct, G has had more competitive races than Z. It shouldn't need misleading stats to just say so.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

Chuck, these starts aren't about whether the competition was at it's best. It's about what they've done in graded events. You're correct, G has had more competitive races than Z. It shouldn't need misleading stats to just say so.

But you do and they are hardly misleading. How many times have we heard that she won 14 grade 1 races when her credentials are questioned? I think what the writer is saying is that the quality of the graded race that one mare raced in far outweighs the quality of similarly graded events the other mare competed in. Just adding one strong race into a 20 race sample doesnt really make the argement presented misleading does it?

[PeteMugg]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But you do and they are hardly misleading. How many times have we heard that she won 14 grade 1 races when her credentials are questioned? I think what the writer is saying is that the quality of the graded race that one mare raced in far outweighs the quality of similarly graded events the other mare competed in. Just adding one strong race into a 20 race sample doesnt really make the argement presented misleading does it?

Of course you are correct, Goldikova ran a much tougher campaign. Perhaps I misspoke, the stats aren't misleading, they lead you right to the point that G faced a heartier bunch and in more races to boot. The stats just aren't complete ... unless you only count who you've beaten in races that you've won. I guess I just hate when figures are twisted to exaggerate a point. You posted earlier that no one is discounting her effort in the classic, actually they are in this case. They chose to include one BC race and not the other. My original post was merely to state that Z beat the dog sh!t out of several multiple graded winners on the dirt at the classic distance. If the writer is going to use stats, use them all.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

Of course you are correct, Goldikova ran a much tougher campaign. Perhaps I misspoke, the stats aren't misleading, they lead you right to the point that G faced a heartier bunch and in more races to boot. The stats just aren't complete ... unless you only count who you've beaten in races that you've won. I guess I just hate when figures are twisted to exaggerate a point. You posted earlier that no one is discounting her effort in the classic, actually they are in this case. They chose to include one BC race and not the other. My original post was merely to state that Z beat the dog sh!t out of several multiple graded winners on the dirt at the classic distance. If the writer is going to use stats, use them all.

I suppose technically you are correct though some people dont count races in which the horse doesn't win as the writer here does. Not saying it is right or wrong. But the hypothesis is still the same, Goldikova's graded schedule was far superior than Zenyatta's. You would think that people would realize this simply by looking at names of the races but stubborn Zenyatta fans refuse to believe that she would have had a far greater time staying undefeated in tougher competition like Goldikova faced.

[PeteMugg]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I suppose technically you are correct though some people dont count races in which the horse doesn't win as the writer here does. Not saying it is right or wrong. But the hypothesis is still the same, Goldikova's graded schedule was far superior than Zenyatta's. You would think that people would realize this simply by looking at names of the races but stubborn Zenyatta fans refuse to believe that she would have had a far greater time staying undefeated in tougher competition like Goldikova faced.

I was as disappointed as anyone at the road Z's camp took to the classic. Hat's off to Goldikova and company for choosing the better path.