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NTamm1215 · #1 11-13-2010, 01:49 AM

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Didn't say he was the sharpest trainer. I said he has a eye for talent. I would have had no problem with what he did if Noble Promise was my horse. The guy gift wrapped Curlin, Einstein, and oh ya Harlan's Holiday. Or did ya already forget about those horses? Just ask Helen Pitts-Blasi or S. Asmussen. Many times the horse makes the trainer and not so much the other way around.

The fact that Curlin and Einstein were as good as they were has 10000x more to do with Helen Pitts than it does McPeek. He would have been a fraction as patient with them as she was.

So David Ingordo has as much to do with Zenyatta being successful as John Shirreffs? Come on.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #2 11-13-2010, 10:01 AM

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The fact that Curlin and Einstein were as good as they were has 10000x more to do with Helen Pitts than it does McPeek. He would have been a fraction as patient with them as she was.

So David Ingordo has as much to do with Zenyatta being successful as John Shirreffs? Come on.

true.

Danzig · #3 11-13-2010, 09:38 AM

mcpeek left training, so helen hung out her shingle as trainer when some of his owners stayed with her. at the time, mcpeek was a bloodstock advisor-so i don't see how curlin and einstein having success had much to do with him. i'm pretty sure they'd have turned out well regardless of who picked them out at a sale.

Sightseek · #4 11-13-2010, 10:00 AM

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" I don't see how curlin and einstein having success has much to do with him." That very well could go down as the stupidest post of the year. Maybe you should ask Bloodstock agent John Moynihan if picking out Charismatic, or Curlin or Rachel Alexandra for Jess Jackson had little or no effect on how good they might become. I actually really laughed out loud at myself. Charismatic was one of the first horses John picked out for Robert Lewis and ya Lukas practically gave the horse away for 62.5 twice before realizing how good this guy was! Sometimes, just sometimes these horses fool ya cause your not a Horse Whisperer. But, John Moynihan sure the hell is and you can go ask Bob Baffert, Charlotte Weber, or even Sheikh Mohammed. I bet they would say nah, because they would just up the ante for his expertise on how much they pay the guy.

It sure did take a genius to see Curlin and Rachel were something special after they had hit the track. Go John!

Danzig · #5 11-13-2010, 10:09 AM

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" I don't see how curlin and einstein having success has much to do with him." That very well could go down as the stupidest post of the year. Maybe you should ask Bloodstock agent John Moynihan if picking out Charismatic, or Curlin or Rachel Alexandra for Jess Jackson had little or no effect on how good they might become. I actually really laughed out loud at myself. Charismatic was one of the first horses John picked out for Robert Lewis and ya Lukas practically gave the horse away for 62.5 twice before realizing how good this guy was! Sometimes, just sometimes these horses fool ya cause your not a Horse Whisperer. But, John Moynihan sure the hell is and you can go ask Bob Baffert, Charlotte Weber, or even Sheikh Mohammed. I bet they would say nah, because they would just up the ante for his expertise on how much they pay the guy.

i fail to see how who picked a horse out has any impact on how the horse turns out. either a horse has talent, or he doesn't. are you really suggesting a horse suddenly runs faster because of the person who picks him out at a sale? if john smith had picked out curlin, or joe shmo picked out charismatic, they'd have been slower because the right guy didn't buy them?
but then, i fail to see how your rudeness proves your point either, so i guess i'm just loony like that.

JerseyJ · #6 11-13-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by monipenny

" I don't see how curlin and einstein having success has much to do with him." That very well could go down as the stupidest post of the year. Maybe you should ask Bloodstock agent John Moynihan if picking out Charismatic, or Curlin or Rachel Alexandra for Jess Jackson had little or no effect on how good they might become. I actually really laughed out loud at myself. Charismatic was one of the first horses John picked out for Robert Lewis and ya Lukas practically gave the horse away for 62.5 twice before realizing how good this guy was! Sometimes, just sometimes these horses fool ya cause your not a Horse Whisperer. But, John Moynihan sure the hell is and you can go ask Bob Baffert, Charlotte Weber, or even Sheikh Mohammed. I bet they would say nah, because they would just up the ante for his expertise on how much they pay the guy.

I would venture to say any successive post coming from your user name would enter the stupidest post of the year derby considering you think it made perfect sense for McPeaked to send Noble's Promise over to England to run in a race he had no chance to win, and didn't even hit the board in. Smart man that McPeaked. You sir, are a tard.

JerseyJ · #7 11-13-2010, 11:11 AM

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" A fool and his money are soon departed." You are just a jealous broken down gambler who hides behind a computer screen. If u even had a clue as 2 the drivel you speak of.

Oh I have a clue alright...I did fine for myself last weekend. And sure, I would love seeing my trainer send a horse accross to England where I have to pay for the trip to be unplaced. If I was a jealous, broken down gambler, pretty sure I wouldn't have a computer to post behind. Get back to me when you get a clue which might happen when Ken McPeaked actually develops a horse. But since McPeaked can't develop horses, it more than likely never happens.

Sightseek · #8 11-13-2010, 11:47 AM

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Oh I have a clue alright...I did fine for myself last weekend. And sure, I would love seeing my trainer send a horse accross to England where I have to pay for the trip to be unplaced. If I was a jealous, broken down gambler, pretty sure I wouldn't have a computer to post behind. Get back to me when you get a clue which might happen when Ken McPeaked actually develops a horse. But since McPeaked can't develop horses, it more than likely never happens.

Were you the guy who said they liked Hamazing Destiny going into the BC? If so, nice!

JerseyJ · #9 11-13-2010, 11:52 AM

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Were you the guy who said they liked Hamazing Destiny going into the BC? If so, nice!

Yes, I did figure he was going to run huge last Saturday. I wish he would have won instead of gotten 2nd because that would have made for a better Exacta and a win bet, but he's always had talent. Just been waiting for him to run a race like that.

Sightseek · #10 11-13-2010, 11:55 AM

Is it me?

AeWingnut · #11 11-13-2010, 11:58 AM

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Is it me?

blackthroatedwind · #12 11-13-2010, 12:30 PM

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Is it me?

If it's you....it's me too.

This guy takes the cake. But, his posting history proved that a long time ago.

JerseyJ · #13 11-13-2010, 12:06 PM

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Hamazing Destiny huh? Oh, the horse Barry Butzow of Minneapolis,MN purchased at a kee. sale. Yep that horse. A Salt Lake colt whom West Roc Stables purchased a majority interest in from Barry a few years back. Even D. Wayne could not completely railroad that horse.

Cute huh...giving out information that you think is insider info, when the whole world knows about the information. Actually the horse didn't debut until February of 09 so it was about a year and a half ago that the sale happened, not exactly a few years back. The colt is only 4. Horse has some real ability sprinting over fast dirt. You think you know it all I see...certainly you know more than a Hall of Fame trainer with many Champions, 5 Derby Winners and the leading all time BC Trainer. You know more than him. Moron.

JerseyJ · #14 11-13-2010, 12:16 PM

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Never said i did nitwit. Just campaigned rather oddly don't ya think? And im glad if u cashed on this guy. I loved him in his first out for Mac Robertson that day at Oaklawn. It was the fastest splits of the meet. D. Wayne bought this guy with the hopes of stretching him out. Unfortunately he had distance limitations. Also, I like Lukas and have marveled at his accomplishments. I always said success leaves blueprints. Just ask Todd Pletcher who uses a white bridle in honor of his mentor. Lukas was the greatest salesman of his or anyone's time. Amazing really. So sad what happened to his son Jeff though.

Of course they were going to try and stretch a horse out who ran like that first time out. You pay that much money for the horse, you shoot for the moon first, then if it can't happen, come back down to earth. The only odd stuff with this colt was running on the grass and synthetics.

JerseyJ · #15 11-13-2010, 11:24 AM

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Alex, may i have horse racing 101 for 1000 please: Who developed the wonderful Harlan's Holiday? Well Alex, that would be none other then Ken McPeek. Oh, should I defer credit to the guys in Aiken,SC?

Congratulations, he developed ONE. For every Harlan's Holiday for McPeaked there's a Beautician. Make that for every one Harlan's Holiday there's 3 Beauticians.

And you really think Harlan's Holiday was that good? If you do I have a bridge I want to sell you in Brooklyn. He was good, but no superstar.

NTamm1215 · #16 11-13-2010, 11:20 AM

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Your argument lacks substance, but I will try to address it. Ok, Einstein was hand picked by McPeek and the owner choose to give the horse to Helen because she worked for McPeek and she either got fired or went out on her own. I'm not sure about the exact particulars. And Curlin also was hand picked by McPeek and she assumed training of him as well. But, 2 think McPeek had no influence on how these horses were trained then that's just foolish. I suppose you think J. Sahadi trained Elmhurst and Lit De Justice also right?

Your psuedo-insider mantra just fizzles when you shrug off how Helen Pitts went out on her own.

Keep preaching McPeek is the best, everyone's listening.