Sheikh Mo and Bernardini

[Seattleallstar]

I dont know why all the animosity towards the Godolphin crew, they singlehandedly saved horse racing and the breeding industry in the US

There's one small, itsy-bitsy little fact ... which has been left out so far ...

All of the Maktoum money is stolen.

They are kleptocrats who run an iron-fisted dictatorship wrapped in a velvet glove. Try going to Dubai and organizing a political party which believes in free elections and the sale of all state-held property to private bidders ... and see what happens to you.

Other than that ... they're really cool guys.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

I dont know why all the animosity towards the Godolphin crew, they singlehandedly saved horse racing and the breeding industry in the US

BS. It is a group having fun playing with their lunch money while making already rich people richer.

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

BS. It is a group having fun playing with their lunch money while making already rich people richer.

Make that "other people's lunch money."

We are all going to seem foolish if Bernardini runs next year.

They did not make their money the "Old Fashioned way, by earning it". The Family sits on a huge commodity. Taking Bernardini off the track is off course their decision. But as far as Racing goes, and I mean people that like to watch great athletes perform, this absolutely sucks. So do they really help the popularity of the sport by pulling what may a great horse... Do they give a sh it. If they dont. Then they are worthless to someone like me.

And no BS they have ever right to do what they want, we know that. Im asking does this help the sport? Does the actually running really matter to them? Sports involve entertainment. Horses will always break down. If we have not come to that realization, quit supporting the sport. Its apart of the game.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

I dont know why all the animosity towards the Godolphin crew, they singlehandedly saved horse racing and the breeding industry in the US

Well said. They are responsible for putting a ton of money into the business and helping employ many americans.

There is no reason to continue racing this horse. He will start at $250K and he will have no problem filling his book. This is the horse they will depend on for their derby horses for years to come.

Remember, they have Discreet Cat for their big race.

What big race would Bernardini being going after next year. He can't run in the derby, so what would be the point? Once you win the BC Classic there isn't much to target.

The pedigree on this horse is the best there has ever been. He will have a huge impact on the breed.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Well said. They are responsible for putting a ton of money into the business and helping employ many americans.

There is no reason to continue racing this horse. He will start at $250K and he will have no problem filling his book. This is the horse they will depend on for their derby horses for years to come.

Remember, they have Discreet Cat for their big race.

What big race would Bernardini being going after next year. He can't run in the derby, so what would be the point? Once you win the BC Classic there isn't much to target.

The pedigree on this horse is the best there has ever been. He will have a huge impact on the breed.

He was being sarcastic. Thanks for the laugh.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Well said. They are responsible for putting a ton of money into the business and helping employ many americans.

There is no reason to continue racing this horse. He will start at $250K and he will have no problem filling his book. This is the horse they will depend on for their derby horses for years to come.

Remember, they have Discreet Cat for their big race.

What big race would Bernardini being going after next year. He can't run in the derby, so what would be the point? Once you win the BC Classic there isn't much to target.

The pedigree on this horse is the best there has ever been. He will have a huge impact on the breed.

I wasn't aware that he had won the Breeders Cup Classic. I musta slept longer than I thought I did. Is it November 4th already?

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I wasn't aware that he had won the Breeders Cup Classic. I musta slept longer than I thought I did. Is it November 4th already?

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

Didn't you say that about Showing Up a few months back about winning the Breeders Cup Turf?
Look, its a horse race. And hes not going to get away with a cushy trip and slow fractions. You act as if he cannot possibly lose this race. Rock of Gibraltar lost a BC race. Things arent so easy on Cup day.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Didn't you say that about Showing Up a few months back about winning the Breeders Cup Turf?
Look, its a horse race. And hes not going to get away with a cushy trip and slow fractions. You act as if he cannot possibly lose this race. Rock of Gibraltar lost a BC race. Things arent so easy on Cup day.

Never thought Showing Up would win the Breeders Cup turf. His breeding suggests he couldn't run that far with the ideal trip. Showing Up is a nice horse but the European horses are much better than any horse in America. The group 2 horses could beat the American grade 1's at 12f.

The Rock is not Bernardini. And I loved the Rock. Bernardini has a ton more than we have seen. A ton more. When they cut him open we are going to see a heart similar to Secretariats.

[Round Pen]

I still find it rather strange that this story broke a couple of days ago that Bernardini would stand stud next year but yet there has been No stories in any of our Major Thoughbred Racing Publications. Why is that????????

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

I still find it rather strange that this story broke a couple of days ago that Bernardini would stand stud next year but yet there has been No stories in any of our Major Thoughbred Racing Publications. Why is that????????

Because they have to worry about their credibility. We don't. They can't write any stories about it until it has been made official by the connections which won't happen until after the BC. Whether or not it is true the major publications aren't in a position to write about it.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

Wow, great observation. Funny how Secretariat lost, though. I'm sure all his wins were inevitable, too.

--Dunbar

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Wow, great observation. Funny how Secretariat lost, though. I'm sure all his wins were inevitable, too.

--Dunbar

Secretariat lost when he was not 100%. They don't run them today unless they are 100%. Today they run them 8x a year and the scratch them if there is the slightest chink in their armor.

A few people I have spoken to think Bernardini is going to break Secretariat's track record too. Is he better, not yet, but maybe.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Secretariat lost when he was not 100%. They don't run them today unless they are 100%. Today they run them 8x a year and the scratch them if there is the slightest chink in their armor.

A few people I have spoken to think Bernardini is going to break Secretariat's track record too. Is he better, not yet, but maybe.

Secretariat set his record in May of his three year old year. And how do these "experts" that you know figure he can go that fast when he just went 2:01 at a track where the track record is 1:58:1? Belmont's 10 f races are run at a turn and a half as opposed to two turn, which makes it faster by at least a second. So you figure hes got about 14 lengths improvement in him? yeah, ok, sure.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

A few people I have spoken to think Bernardini is going to break Secretariat's track record too.

This board is getting better every day! First I had a guy telling me that he could spot "illegally enhanced" horses by looking in thier eyes. Now we have a supposedly informed poster saying that his informed friends are predicting track records!!!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

GW on Bernardini. I guess he talked to the wrong insiders for this information

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

GW on Bernardini. I guess he talked to the wrong insiders for this information

Thanks, Jim. I'll bump up GW's thoughtful analysis because I love it when people are SO sure of something:

Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

No room for any doubt there, I guess.

--Dunbar